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No, if one house passes the Bill ; The other house could (A) Amend the bill (B)Reject the bill (C) Accept the bill (D)do nothing.

In case of Money bills, these bills could originate only in Lok Sabha, and Rajya Sabha could only suggest amendments within 14 days. If this bill is not passes by Rajya Sabha in 14 days, it is deemed as Passed. If amendments are suggested by Rajya Sabha, Lok Sabha could accept those amendments or reject them. Rajya Sabha could not Reject this kind of Bill.


In case of Financial Bills or Ordinary bills, Rajya Sabha could do any of A,B,C,orD. If Rajya Sabha or Lok Sabha rejects ,or amends a bill and those amendment are not accepted by the house in which that bill originated, Government either has to drop that bill or call Joint session; BUT if other house do nothing ie noting of A,B,or C; for three months, it is deemed as passed. Rajya Sabha, by not working, could do nothing except delay reforms by 3-6 months.



In case of Constitutional amendment, that bill has to be passed by both houses separately. There is no Joint session for Constitutional amendment.




GST's passage is tricky as it is a constitutional amendment requiring special majority. It need passing by 50% of total strength of both Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha separately and passage in state assemblies of at least 50% states.

Modi would not be able pass it without Congress's support before 2018, and could not cobble up numbers., even with AIADMK,TRS,and PDP/NC's support, in Rajya Sabha before 2016.
I am aware of this, but the point still stands on other bills like Insurance and Coal.
Unless BJP can find a way to get RS to conduct business, this will lapse.

The RS opposition is in no mood to work, they are finding the flimsiest of excuse to get the house adjourned (what the BJP also did while in opposition). But at the end, BJP has to do something to get them passed in the coming Budget session else these ordinances are useless.
 
VHP and others have really derailed Modi's development agenda. However I am not sure if opposition really would have supported the reform bills
 
I am aware of this, but the point still stands on other bills like Insurance and Coal.
Unless BJP can find a way to get RS to conduct business, this will lapse.

The RS opposition is in no mood to work, they are finding the flimsiest of excuse to get the house adjourned (what the BJP also did while in opposition). But at the end, BJP has to do something to get them passed in the coming Budget session else these ordinances are useless.

That is not how things work.

Rajya Sabha is equal to lok Sabha ony in case of constitutional amendment bills, and Quasi equal in case of Ordinary and Finance bills to the extent that if those bills originate in Rajya Sabha ( which they never do ), it is deciding house.


No reform bill, except GST, is constitutional amendment. They are Ordinary bills, and if Rajya Sabha do nothing for 6 months after transmission of Ordinary bill, a Joint session could be summoned.


Rajya sabha could do noting except delaying these reforms. They could only block those reforms which are constitutional amendments.

Since BJP has taken ordinance route, these bills have came into effect immediately. If TMC keep on blocking Rajya Sabha, and this bill does not pass in Budget session, it would pass in a joint session.
 
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This should help. But firstly understand that the main purpose of GST was to replace VAT/CST/Service Tax and bring a single tax with a uniform rate (with minor exceptions).


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GST being negotiated has too many exclusions, we must build consensus on a flawless version

If there is one policy reform on which there is consensus, it is the Goods and Services Tax (GST). Yet, as negotiations between the Centre and states reshape this important reform, continuous reassessment is warranted.

If we were to implement the flawless GST as originally recommended by the task force of the 13th Finance Commission (TFC), the gains would be immense. The latter had recommended that India replace myriad central and state indirect taxes by a single uniform value added tax on substantially all goods and services. With the combined indirect tax revenue of the Centre and states a tad below 11%, allowing for a handful of exceptions, the TFC taskforce had pegged the uniform GST rate at 12%.

Taxation at this rate would mean that the taxpayer would not have to pay an unusually high tax on any single commodity or service. The burden will be spread evenly across different goods and services consumed. The single rate would also eliminate production inefficiencies since it would tax value added at each stage of production at the same rate.

As a byproduct, since the GST would be collected at the point of sale rather than production, it will serve to unify India into a single market. There would no more be need to erect border check posts to collect taxes on goods produced in one jurisdiction but sold in another.

Unfortunately, it is now increasingly clear that we are not heading towards a flawless GST. Both states and the Centre have lists of goods and services that they appear determined to exclude from the tax base. State lists differ from one another and also from that of the Centre.

Almost all states want such important sources of indirect tax revenue as petroleum and alcohol excluded from the GST base. Besides food items, education and health services are also likely to be excluded wholly or partially. Then there are exclusions based on the turnover of a company. The Centre does not tax companies with a turnover less than Rs 15 million while the exemption thresholds across states range from Rs 5 lakh to Rs 6 million.

So significant are the proposed exclusions that a recent sub-panel set up by state governments estimated that revenue-neutral GST rates would be 12.77% for the Centre and 13.91% for the states. Together, these rates would sum to 26.68%, more than twice the 12% rate that the TFC task force had recommended. Admittedly, the 26.68% rate is the highest of all estimates of revenue-neutral rates offered to-date. Nonetheless, the estimates have been uniformly significantly above the 12% mark.

If excluded items and companies render the GST tax base small and, thus, require the revenue-neutral GST rate to be excessively high, the benefits of the new system would barely justify its costs. A shift to the new system would impose significant transition costs since all states and the Centre would need to move to a common GST infrastructure that would require all taxpaying companies to file their returns and deposit taxes electronically.

GST has also been a source of “attention diversion cost”. The inordinate amount of time spent negotiating it has meant that other reforms have been neglected or delayed.

Above all GST, even when implemented in its flawless form, imposes a major cost on the system by compromising our federal structure of governance. In a true federal system, states and local administrations get to choose the level of spending on public goods and services and are, therefore, accorded powers of taxation. In so far as GST substantially transfers the power to tax to the Centre, it restricts the ability of the states to determine the level of spending on public goods and services locally.

This analysis has two implications for the current approach to policymaking. First, the finance ministry should guard against putting substantially all its eggs in the GST basket. Given the vast exclusions, high GST rate and evasions the high rate would attract, this is not going to be the game-changer reform that was once considered.

There are other reforms India needs that would bring more and certain benefits and would require far less effort and political capital. For instance, in the short run, greater focus on ending the uncertainty associated with taxation, reforming the land acquisition Act and cleaning up the balance sheets of public sector banks would carry significantly higher and more certain returns to the government’s efforts.

Second, if building consensus for a broad GST base takes longer, spending the extra time would be well worth the wait. Indeed, the government may consider a two-step process of implementation.

In the first step, it may implement a fully functional central GST with as wide a base as possible. This would complete an important component of GST without disruption at the level of states. It would also go a long way towards demonstrating to states the Centre’s commitment to GST and its feasibility. In the second step, the Centre can extend GST to states.

This approach would have the added advantage of giving the Centre an opportunity to build and test the robustness of GST infrastructure. After all, a flawless GST also requires a flawless information technology infrastructure.

I think the 1st priority should be getting the GST bill passted & then slowly include things in it like Petroleum & Liquor

That is not how things work.

Rajya Sabha is equal to lok Sabha ony in case of constitutional amendment bills, and Quasi equal in case of Ordinary and Finance bills to the extent that if those bills originate in Rajya Sabha ( which they never do ), it is deciding house.


No reform bill, except GST, is constitutional amendment. They are Ordinary bills, and if Rajya Sabha do nothing for 3 months after transmission of Ordinary bill, it is deemed as passed.


Rajya sabha could do noting except delaying these reforms. They could only block those reforms which are constitutional amendments.

Since BJP has taken ordinance route, these bills have came into effect immediately. If TMC keep on blocking Rajya Sabha, and this bill does not pass in Budget session, it would deemed to have been passed.

Yipee Either way the reforms are going to happen,also the govt should move fast on a new Land bill the present one is Fooked up to much & will destroy our hopes of Industrialization & Land bill does not require the constitution to be amended if i am correct
 
Good. Ordinance route is good for now. A joint session can be called in next Budget session.
 
I think the 1st priority should be getting the GST bill passted & then slowly include things in it like Petroleum & Liquor

If Government would consider my views ( someday it would ), i would have suggested to keep consolidated GST, but allowing states to impose a "Sin Tax" on Alcohol and Tobacoo products, and a Greenhouse Tax on Petroleum.

While it's effect on ground would be same as keeping them out of GST's ambit, it would simply legalese and would have cemented the notion of "One country, One Tax".


Yipee Either way the reforms are going to happen,also the govt should move fast on a new Land bill the present one is Fooked up to much & will destroy our hopes of Industrialization & Land bill does not require the constitution to be amended if i am correct

Yes, Land acquisition act could be amended by an ordinary bill. Indira Gandhi, by removing article article19(1)(f), ensured that it would not require a constitutional amendment.
 
If Government would consider my views ( someday it would ), i would have suggested to keep consolidated GST, but allowing states to impose a "Sin Tax" on Alcohol and Tobacoo products, and a Greenhouse Tax on Petroleum.

While it's effect on ground would be same as keeping them out of GST's ambit, it would simply legalese and would have cemented the notion of "One country, One Tax".




Yes, Land acquisition act could be amended by an ordinary bill. Indira Gandhi, by removing article article19(1)(f), ensured that it would not require a constitutional amendment.

1 of the few things Indira did right & your Idea is really good
 
1 of the few things Indira did right & your Idea is really good


Not exactly.

It stripped people of property rights thus allowing rampant nationalization and licence raj to flourish.


Btw @Echo_419 and @Judge, i made a mistake in my past posts. A bill could hang fire for six months rather than three. So Opposition could only delay reforms by 6 month, but could not block them.
 
Not exactly.

It stripped people of property rights thus allowing rampant nationalization and licence raj to flourish.


Btw @Echo_419 and @Judge, i made a mistake in my past posts. A bill could hang fire for six months rather than three. So Opposition could only delay reforms by 6 month, but could not block them.

Well hell if we waited for so many years we can wait for another 3 months too
 
Well hell if we waited for so many years we can wait for another 3 months too


We do not need to wait for a single day.

See, both Insurance bill and Coal mining bill were passed by Lok Sabha early in December. Rajya Sabha has 6 month from that date to either accept or reject or amend that bill.If it does not accept, a joint session would be called.

Now, These bills have been promulgated as Ordinace in end of december and their 6 month lapse period would start counting from that date ie Government would have ample amount of time to call joint sessio even if opposition act like a dick.


These bills are already acts.
 
We do not need to wait for a single day.

See, both Insurance bill and Coal mining bill were passed by Lok Sabha early in December. Rajya Sabha has 6 month from that date to either accept or reject or amend that bill.If it does not accept, a joint session would be called.

Now, These bills have been promulgated as Ordinace in end of december and their 6 month lapse period would start counting from that date ie Government would have ample amount of time to call joint sessio even if opposition act like a dick.


These bills are already acts.

These Bills are just starting many more sectors need massive overhaul
 
That is not how things work.

Rajya Sabha is equal to lok Sabha ony in case of constitutional amendment bills, and Quasi equal in case of Ordinary and Finance bills to the extent that if those bills originate in Rajya Sabha ( which they never do ), it is deciding house.


No reform bill, except GST, is constitutional amendment. They are Ordinary bills, and if Rajya Sabha do nothing for 6 months after transmission of Ordinary bill, a Joint session could be summoned.


Rajya sabha could do noting except delaying these reforms. They could only block those reforms which are constitutional amendments.

Since BJP has taken ordinance route, these bills have came into effect immediately. If TMC keep on blocking Rajya Sabha, and this bill does not pass in Budget session, it would pass in a joint session.

sir , in wch category does diluting the land acquisition bill fall ?? and does it need a constitutional amendment ??
 

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