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My proposal for reforms in General Election / Election Commission

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  • Elections should be conducted on phase to phase basis. For example different zones might be established to monitor election at macroscopic level. One example is to divide each province in 5 units and conduct elections in each unit on a different day. It is similar to Indian-elections formula but slightly more intense
    • Day 1-2) South Punjab
    • Day 3-4) North Punjab
    • Day 5-6) East Punjab
    • Day 7-8) West Punjab
    • Day 9-10) Central Punjab
    • Day 10-15) 5 zones in K-P
    • Day 15-25) 5 zones in Sindh
    • Day 25-40) 5 Zones in Balochistan

  • E-voting
    • Electronic machines should be introduced (perhaps 200,000 might be required)
    • The machines need to be thoroughly tested out to ensure it cannot be hacked, altered or modified and use the best technology possible currently available in the world
    • The technology would ideally be able to capture the footprints of hacker if the machine was ever attempted to be altered in anyway.
    • E-voting must be introduced in bi-elections to test out all the pros and cons before the general elections
    • The machine should be simple to use so the common man can easily understand it
    • There should be widespread advertisement in both television and print media before the general elections so the common already knows how to use this machine
    • There can be extra-practice room for common man if need be where they can be taught about how to use the machine before they are allowed to go into the room for casting their vote. The symbols in the practice machine must not be identical to the symbols of the political party and the sole purpose is to get them familiar with the machine
    • There should be finger-print verification system built within the machine since Nadra holds the record of every ID card holder in Pakistan

  • Presiding Officer & Staff
    • The procedure of choosing presiding officer must be taken after building consensus amongst the political parties
    • The duty of presiding officer must be split in 4 hour shift instead of 36 hours of sleepless day-n-night work they are engaged these days with each presiding officer reporting 1 hour earlier before his shift begins
    • Staff needs to be fully trained
    • Staff need to carry out election day's practice sessions in similar-original-like demo before the real election day so they are fully aware of their responsibility
      • Since its going to be over a month activity and split from constituency to constituency I believe the availability of presiding officers, staff and all the concerned parties will be easy to arrange

  • Representation from each political party must be based in the polling station as well as the presence of Army and security agencies if need arises. The idea is to ensure that every vote that is being polled can be traced by the political party. They should be able to count the number of votes being polled but cannot have access to the records of voting-machine / ballot papers of course
  • So imagine if we have 272 constituencies (of National assembly) where the elections are held in Pakistan (if you take away reserved seats) - Imagine you have elections in only 15 constituencies per day. The whole procedure must end in 28 days only but ensure transparency in far better manner and each constituency can be monitored by every political party in more transparent manner as they will have a time to do so.
  • The safety of ballot boxes must be ensured
  • All ballot boxes / records for electronic voting opens after the elections have been conducted in every national and provincial constituency

Your opinion is highly appreciated, feel free to add more suggestions into it. This is my personal opinion so you are free to criticise
 
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Dont need to bother about voting machine .That is not that easy to hack.Almost impossible in large scale.
But I thought Pakistan already implemented voting machine .
 
@Aether just one addition:

EVM's should be 3G / 4G supported so they can submit the real time results to centeralised database on main servers. This will make it impossible to alter the results during votes counting or recounting since the data was logged and transferred in real time while voting was in progress.

Rest of your post is spot on, great detailed suggestion sir. :tup:
 
Ohh come one, IK become PM is not in the list. Totally tashed points.

On the serious notes, these reforms are pretty old fashion. Why can't we have a system where you can go to vote even in the Bank Branches, Nadra Offices, or Union consel, no need to go for huge human army, or even from your own Mobile. A setup which supports finger printing recognition, linked with NADRA system. Can trace back whole vote with in minutes, anyone can go any time in a week or 2 weeks to give vote, should be enough to replace whole ECP.

Just a suggestion please don't bash me for opening up my mouth :$
 
One to two days for a state is enough imo .

Ohh come one, IK become PM is not in the list. Totally tashed points.

On the serious notes, these reforms are pretty old fashion. Why can't we have a system where you can go to vote even in the Bank Branches, Nadra Offices, or Union consel, no need to go for huge human army, or even from your own Mobile. A setup which supports finger printing recognition, linked with NADRA system. Can trace back whole vote with in minutes, anyone can go any time in a week or 2 weeks to give vote, should be enough to replace whole ECP.

Just a suggestion please don't bash me for opening up my mouth :$

Security issues .
 
One to two days for a state is enough imo .



Security issues .

How exactly having votes in the schools solve this problem? Again my question is, if you steal POS Machine then is it of any use? (In Pakistan, easy paisa, mob4cash etc has distributing these machines all over the Pakistan, anyone any time can send money to other Pakistan, what's the problem having same kind of thing, which recognize your finger printing, to Union Consels, Banks (which are pretty secure as compare to other areas) for same. and what's issue of having same thing on your mobile ..
 
The part of staggering voting is the most important. Voting machines hacking isn't a problem. Restricting access to the machine is what is important. What you need to do is what is done in India. Have political representatives of all parties at all polling booths. It should also be arranged for the political representatives to go with the EC officials along with the sealed voting machine & see it deposited in a central secured location making sure of chain of possession. Do that with all the voting machines. Once in a centrally secured area, arrange for tight security & if desired, a continuous watch by all the interested parties to make sure no one goes in. On voting day, open it in front of everyone. The best ideas are pretty simple.
 
In my opinion,

The government should reorganise the boundaries of provinces and create at least 16 provinces. Hold elections in one province each for two days and the whole process is completed after 32 days.

They can also hold within a day that's not a big deal but just in case if somebody is not free on day 1 due to an emergency, they still have a chance to cast vote on day two

Having split each province in 5 zones will also do the job (east, west, north, south, central punjab, sindh, kp and balochistan). A province of about 20,000 - 40,000 square kilometre is already a huge area to manage by one CM in my opinion
 
@Aether just one addition:

EVM's should be 3G / 4G supported so they can submit the real time results to centeralised database on main servers. This will make it impossible to alter the results during votes counting or recounting since the data was logged and transferred in real time while voting was in progress.

Rest of your post is spot on, great detailed suggestion sir. :tup:

Will increase the election expense exaorbitantly.
A simple EVM based election in India almost cause more than 10000 crore expense.
Election exercise itself is an expenseful job.Plus security issues.Govt must find all this money and it would be not that easy.
 
In my opinion,

The government should reorganise the boundaries of provinces and create at least 16 provinces. Hold elections in one province each for two days and the whole process is completed after 32 days.

They can also hold within a day that's not a big deal but just in case if somebody is not free on day 1 due to an emergency, they still have a chance to cast vote on day two

Having split each province in 5 zones will also do the job (east, west, north, south, central punjab, sindh, kp and balochistan). A province of about 20,000 - 40,000 square kilometre is already a huge area to manage by one CM in my opinion

The last thing you mentioned is more viable than others.But your Constitution must ensure the absolute authority of election commission during election time .Power of all other establishment should be less than EC.All of the govts transaction must be through the EC.Ensure all parties in polling booth to avoid wrong allegations.
 
The last thing you mentioned is more viable than others.But your Constitution must ensure the absolute authority of election commission during election time .Power of all other establishment should be less than EC.All of the govts transaction must be through the EC.Ensure all parties in polling booth to avoid wrong allegations.
It was the similar case in the last general elections. In fact the elections were highly appreciated by the segments of society within Pakistan and International media. The allegations were brought up after loss had already been acknowledged and the opposition parties got an opportunity due to stupidness of the ruling party

For me, the last general elections were the fairest one in the history of Pakistan and the next general elections will be much better after learning from the past elections...
 
How exactly having votes in the schools solve this problem? Again my question is, if you steal POS Machine then is it of any use? (In Pakistan, easy paisa, mob4cash etc has distributing these machines all over the Pakistan, anyone any time can send money to other Pakistan, what's the problem having same kind of thing, which recognize your finger printing, to Union Consels, Banks (which are pretty secure as compare to other areas) for same. and what's issue of having same thing on your mobile ..

Well it would take a very very long post for me to explain . Let's just say i work in this field . In a controlled Environment you have control of all factors and less connected to Internet you are in these cases more secure you are .

Regarding your question about stealing POS machine , you dont need to . You just need to have access to it ( read about Kapoxta , JackPOS, Backoff , Nemanja etc ) . Banks get victims of fraud all the time ( Read about Zeus malware , spyeye , amongst other ) . Going by their sheer volumes in sale a few millions are nothing , however a few millions can turn the tide here .
 
Ohh come one, IK become PM is not in the list. Totally tashed points.

Sir when somebody is in pain and he realises it is not due to his fault, he does protest to relieve the pain. Imran Khan believes from the heart that he was treated unfairly and he would have performed better if the game was played evenly, hence the shouts. You being PML-N supporter don't give a damn to it, but non-PML-N supporters does understand the seriousness of this matter

On the serious notes, these reforms are pretty old fashion. Why can't we have a system where you can go to vote even in the Bank Branches, Nadra Offices, or Union consel, no need to go for huge human army, or even from your own Mobile. A setup which supports finger printing recognition, linked with NADRA system. Can trace back whole vote with in minutes, anyone can go any time in a week or 2 weeks to give vote, should be enough to replace whole ECP.
Sir what you are suggested is possible in Oman or Western world wherever you live. But it is simply not possible in Pakistan due to simple reasons and I see no point in explaining it once again
Just a suggestion please don't bash me for opening up my mouth :$
Speak up for what you think is right, don't care about the consequences. This is what I do
 

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