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Muslim personal law 'unjust, barbaric, outdated', Markandey Katju says

We are always a minority but we created and ruled this country. This is how it was in past and will be in future. We will dictate terms to you not the other way around. Now get over it already.
The other way around has already started. Iraq : Gone, Afganistan : gone, Syria : gone, Egypt : gone, Libiya : gone . So it has started.
 
Indian Congress leaders Nehru, Gandhi and future RSS ideologues like Valabhai Patel and others promised Muslim leaders the application of Islamic personal law as a prerequisite for joining the Indian state. If you throw away your promise which you made to great Muslim leaders like Abul Kalam Azad, then you surrender any legitimacy to claiming to represent any Muslim in India.

If you want to future partition India, you are more than welcome. Pakistan won't complain. ;)

Jinnah promised equal rights for all minorities before pakistan became a citadel of Islam. objectives resolution, decimation of all minorities, making ahmedis non-humans blasphemy laws, etc etc etc.

The fight for a common civil code is about the rights of individuals especially women. Indian men of all religions are misogynists, exploitative of the rights of women. The women who were at the forfront of the independence struggle, still ,do not have their full and equal rights in the republic that fought for the emancipation of ALL Indians.

The time for a uniform civil code is long overdue.
 
Jinnah promised equal rights for all minorities before pakistan became a citadel of Islam. objectives resolution, decimation of all minorities, making ahmedis non-humans blasphemy laws, etc etc etc.

The fight for a common civil code is about the rights of individuals especially women. Indian men of all religions are misogynists, exploitative of the rights of women. The women who were at the forfront of the independence struggle still do not have their full and equal rights in the republic that fought for the emancipation of ALL Indians.

The time for a uniform civil code is long overdue.
Yes. We have to undo these selective secularism. People say china is not secular. I say China is the most secular country in the world.
 
Now seriously. Where did I fault the UCC? In fact, I openly support it. My problem lies with the lack of consultation with the Muslim community. And you stand mistaken on your views that "The only right that Muslims would lose in UCC is of polygamy, and casual talaq". Islamic law of inheritance is extremely divergent from the UCC. There are also other factors in Islamic law which will be affected but that would be a debate for a different day. Apart from that, I have no problem with the UCC. I have a problem with the lack of consultation and the apparent rushing through of the UCC
muslims stand is pretty clear. you can see that on the website of All India Muslim Personal Law Board

AIMS & OBJECTIVES


In conformity with the Resolutions adopted at the All India Muslim Personal Law Convention, Mumbai, 27-28 December, 1972, the AIMS & OBJECTS of the Board shall be:


(a) To take effective steps to protect the Muslim Personal Law in India and for the retention, and implementation of the Shariat Act;

(b) To strive for the annulment of all such laws, passed by or on the anvil in any State Legislature or Parliament, and such judgments by courts of Law which may directly or indirectly amount to interference in or run parallel to the Muslim Personal Law or, in the alternative, to see that the Muslims are exempted from the ambit of such legislations.

(c) To promote awareness among Muslims about the laws and teachings of, and rights conferred and duties cast by Shariah in the sphere of their family and social life, and to publish and disseminate literature for that purpose;

(d) To publish and popularize the personal laws of Muslims as laid down by Shariah and to prepare a comprehensive framework for their implementation on and observance by the Muslims;

(e) To set up an ‘Action Committee’ as and when needed, for safeguarding the Muslim Personal Law through which organised countrywide campaign is taken up in order to implement decisions of the Board;

(f) To constantly keep watch, through a committee of Ulama and legists, over the state or Central legislations and Bills; or Rules framed and circularsissued by the government and semi government bodies, to see if these, in any manner, affect the Muslim Personal Law;

(g) To promote good-will, fraternity, and the feeling of mutual cooperation among all sects and schools of thought among Muslims, and to generate the spirit of unity and co-ordination among them for the common goal of safeguarding the Muslim Personal Law;

(h) To scrutinize the ‘Mohammedan Law’ as now in force in India, in the light of Shariah and to arrange for an analytical study of the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence while keeping in view the new issues and to search for their proper solution based on the Quran and Sunnah, sticking to the principles of Shariah under the guidance of those well-versed in Shariah and Islamic jurisprudence;

(i) To set up delegations and study teams; organize conferences, seminars, symposia, public meetings and undertake tours and to publish and disseminate suitable literature, as and when needed, to bring out newspapers, periodicals, and newsletters and to perform all other acts as may be necessary, for achieving the aims and objectives of the Board in general.
 
Nope. They were secular leaders, not Hindu leaders. Were the Shankaracharyas and Dharma Shabas consulted? Every other year the they keep tinkering with Hindu law, who is consulted then?

Then it is for the Hindus to become vocal and to object to that kind of attitude.
 
muslims stand is pretty clear. you can see that on the website of All India Muslim Personal Law Board

AIMS & OBJECTIVES


In conformity with the Resolutions adopted at the All India Muslim Personal Law Convention, Mumbai, 27-28 December, 1972, the AIMS & OBJECTS of the Board shall be:


(a) To take effective steps to protect the Muslim Personal Law in India and for the retention, and implementation of the Shariat Act;

(b) To strive for the annulment of all such laws, passed by or on the anvil in any State Legislature or Parliament, and such judgments by courts of Law which may directly or indirectly amount to interference in or run parallel to the Muslim Personal Law or, in the alternative, to see that the Muslims are exempted from the ambit of such legislations.

(c) To promote awareness among Muslims about the laws and teachings of, and rights conferred and duties cast by Shariah in the sphere of their family and social life, and to publish and disseminate literature for that purpose;

(d) To publish and popularize the personal laws of Muslims as laid down by Shariah and to prepare a comprehensive framework for their implementation on and observance by the Muslims;

(e) To set up an ‘Action Committee’ as and when needed, for safeguarding the Muslim Personal Law through which organised countrywide campaign is taken up in order to implement decisions of the Board;

(f) To constantly keep watch, through a committee of Ulama and legists, over the state or Central legislations and Bills; or Rules framed and circularsissued by the government and semi government bodies, to see if these, in any manner, affect the Muslim Personal Law;

(g) To promote good-will, fraternity, and the feeling of mutual cooperation among all sects and schools of thought among Muslims, and to generate the spirit of unity and co-ordination among them for the common goal of safeguarding the Muslim Personal Law;

(h) To scrutinize the ‘Mohammedan Law’ as now in force in India, in the light of Shariah and to arrange for an analytical study of the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence while keeping in view the new issues and to search for their proper solution based on the Quran and Sunnah, sticking to the principles of Shariah under the guidance of those well-versed in Shariah and Islamic jurisprudence;

(i) To set up delegations and study teams; organize conferences, seminars, symposia, public meetings and undertake tours and to publish and disseminate suitable literature, as and when needed, to bring out newspapers, periodicals, and newsletters and to perform all other acts as may be necessary, for achieving the aims and objectives of the Board in general.

Good and indeed they should as should all communities in any healthy democracy. As long as the democratic process is adhered to, they cannot complain once the law is implemented
 
Their leaders certainly were. After all, Hindu leaders implemented those laws



That isn't the attitude which should be adopted in a democracy and especially a secular democracy like India. The fact that Pakistan was created and exists is for those Muslims who chose to live in Pakistan. Those Muslims who are Indian are entitled to the protection of the Indian state and to the benefits of living in the Indian democracy. That was promised to them during the partition and that promise should never be reversed

This is the attitude which will save the democracy from people who use their freedom to destroy the freedom of others.
 
Then it is for the Hindus to become vocal and to object to that kind of attitude.

Nope, we are going to do the reverse to correct this imbalance. Just like the govt of India did not consider it necessary to consult the Hindus, there is no need to consult the Muslims either. Since you considered the nonconsultative processes of the Indian govt so far as democratic and were very happy to preen about its secularism, hope you continue to do so further too when this unconsultative process continues.
 

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