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[jamahir]

I consider third generation Mughal and onwards as Indian emperors.....were some of them horrifyingly bad emperors? Sure...But still Bad Indian/Gangu/Pajeet emperors....They are r/OurGuy

So Babar and his son Humayun didn't have the "settle down in India" sentiment ?

 

[Varunastra]

I consider third generation Mughal and onwards as Indian emperors.....were some of them horrifyingly bad emperors? Sure...But still Bad Indian/Gangu/Pajeet emperors....They are r/OurGuy

True that the mughals are ours and part of our history, they married locals and eventually looked very Indian loosing all their mongolo-turkic looks of central asia. If I'm not wrong most of their surviving descendants are still in India.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

So Babar and his son Humayun didn't have the "settle down in India" sentiment ?

Babur always wanted to recapture his homeland ..Please read William Darymple's excellent read on the Ferghana Valley ...Babur also had a disdain for us Black Indians ....But he was a great achiever and one has to respect him for that...Tech entrepreuneur/Billionaire of his time...Absolutey no two minds about it...while Indian Kingdoms of that time were Big Hulking Legacy corporations....Babur was the original tech disruptor of the subcontinent in some sense

Humayun...I have a soft spot for him How much hardship a person can endure and still make a grand thumping comeback...His life should be must read for aspiring entrepreuneurs....

But Babur and Humayun were still more members of the international elite Turkic Horse Archer/Cavalry confederacy than part of Indian society..I guess when Safavids started out they were also Turkic, and probably thats why they agreed to help the Mughals I think..later Mughals and Safavids were bitter racial enemies...a lot of racial slurs were thrown at our Indian Mughal emperors

It from Akbar onwards things start to change.....Original Mughals could not wait to go back to Central Asia...Later Mughals could not wait to come back to India if commisioned to be at the North West border or venture outwards into Balkh and Central Asia

Shah Jahan onwards it was an Indian empire or Pajeet Empire if you as a Pakistani want to insult Indians


Mughals when destroyed had ABSOLUTELY nowhere to run back to....unlike say the Huns who fled back to where they came from when tackled by later Guptas and Yashodharman alliance

William Dalrymple on the trail of Babur’s paradise lost

The 16th-century empire-builder wrote longingly of his homeland. Do traces of its delights survive in what is now Uzbekistan?

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In the early 2000s, when white people used to talk about Mughals I used to feel very proud as an Indian...It's only later I was kind of taught by the internet to hate Mughals

 

[lightoftruth]

Muslims - Hagia sophia should be a mosque since it was property of muslims/sultan long time back.

Same Muslims- Let us stop dwelling into barbaric history of mughals and accept them as one of our own.

Such Hypocrites

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Mughal history of India is chequered...At one point they had 75 percent Indian blood ....Heck even Aurangzeb was insulted by Shah Abbas II as "Blackamoor" and emperor of Blackie Indians.....That's why I consider Aurangzeb as my racial blood brother but ideological opponent...What do Nordic Pakistanis think of "Black Indian" Aurangzeb?

Delhi Sultanate would be considered a foreign occupation by even the most liberal of Indians though

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My racial blood brother Aurangzeb was quite Pajeet Looking...even the average Rajput has sharper features and rounder eyes and deeper brow ridge than that...and these are white washed ,boastful court potraits

Thanks I enjoyed your post.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Still can't understand though what some educated right wingers even support Yogi. He has done something to improve law and order but other than that almost nothing.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Muslims - Hagia sophia should be a mosque since it was property of muslims/sultan long time back.

Same Muslims- Let us stop dwelling into barbaric history of mughals and accept them as one of our own.

Such Hypocrites

Turks won hagia sofia through war in 1453. It was a mosque since then.

Mughal mosques were built over hindu temples in a similar sort of era.

What exactly is your point? It seems rather a self-defeating analogy.

Babur and Humayun were still more members of the international elite Turkic Horse Archer/Cavalry confederacy than part of Indian society

Here's your problem. You fail to accept that all migrants to Indian lands have a similar "right" to determine its nature, legacy and composition as each other. There was a time in history when Aryans and Harrapans would also be not considered a "part of Indian society". Who are you to apply your inherently biased definition of what is and what isn't "Indian" to these historical figures?

The Anglo-Saxons are the archetypal "British race", but they're actually germanics who displaced violently the pre-existing British peoples.

 

[lightoftruth]

Turks won hagia sofia through war in 1453. It was a mosque since then.

Mughal mosques were built over hindu temples in a similar sort of era.

What exactly is your point? It seems rather a self-defeating analogy.

When muslims/mughals rule they convert churches,temples into mosques bury their culture ,their place of worship, try's to impose jazia and kill or convert them.

But when Hindus,Christians simply oppose the glorification of these barbaric muslims who did the above ,their current followers end up becoming a cry baby.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

When muslims/mughals rule they convert churches,temples into mosques bury their culture ,their place of worship, try's to impose jazia and kill or convert them.

But when Hindus,Christians simply oppose the glorification of these barbaric muslims who did the above ,their current followers end up becoming a cry baby.

You had your chance in that era of human history. You failed, just as the Byzantines did. Now, when universal human rights exist, you cannot trample on mosques to undo what happened in the medieval era - at least you can't claim to be a "secular democracy" if you do this.

 

[lightoftruth]

You had your chance in that era of human history. You failed, just as the Byzantines did. Now, when universal human rights exist, you cannot trample on mosques to undo what happened in the medieval era - at least you can't claim to be a "secular democracy" if you do this.

Human history is in the making and its ever evolving, in which era erdogan converted that church into a mosque ? does human rights exists for non muslims ?

We don't need to justify the nature of democracy to anyone, secularism comes from france their ways towards islam is something to look into..or china ways of non democracy.....

We did get our Ram Mandir back, no-one could do anything.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Human history is in the making and its ever evolving, in which era erdogan converted that church into a mosque ? does human rights exists for non muslims ?

We don't need to justify the nature of democracy to anyone, secularism comes from france their ways towards islam is something to look into..or china ways of non democracy.....

We did get our Ram Mandir back, no-one could do anything.

Hagia Sofia was a mosque in 1453; medieval times, following a glorious bloody medieval conquest (they were all the rage back then, shame you didn't join in!), then became a museum in 1935, so erdogan converted it back.

Babri was likewise a mosque in medieval times following a glorious bloody medieval conquest. Some idiot converted it to a temple without earning the right to do so even. At least Ataturk defeated the occupiers of Turkey post WW1 and it could be argued that he had some semblance of a "right" to do as he chose and hence convert it to a museum. What did Indian Hindus ever do to earn such a right other than be butlers to the British until the British had finally had enough of being waited on hand and foot and decided to waddle back to England?

Someone will convert Babri back to a mosque, just like Hagia Sofia has been restored as a mosque. Enjoy yourself while your fake democracy holds out.