‘Morality Police’ Hit Iran’s Restaurants

[mike2000 is back]

This is an internal matter for Iran, but I believe its a failed approach.

Look at practising Muslims in Western societies. What stops them from enjoying all the haram options available to them? Self control. The parents instill a set of values and the children accept those values.

I consider myself a religiously conservative person (on a personal level). In my youth I kept away from most haram things, did some sins whilst knowing full well it was sinful, but eventually cut those things out.

For example music. I do not consider it to be haram, but certainly some lyrics promote haram activities which should be avoided. I used to listen to everything but then at some point started listening to the lyrics in detail. I decided T-pain was too besharam for me... Lol my musical taste altered and then when my children were young I realised I didn't want them listening to sexual innuendo either. In the end I stopped listening to it. I still enjoy the same songs, but have decided they have a negative impact on my life.

Iran and every Muslim nation should empower and equip its young people with the qualities to self reflect and make these decisions. Forcing it upon them won't work.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule.

Agree, but then again, If Iran did as you said then it wouldn't be an Islamic state anymore. The country was founded on the principle of an Islamic revolution and a state based solely on Islamic principles/laws and customs. The people agreed with it to some extent back then i believe(many might have changed their minds about some things today, but then gain that's another topic as well). So i think if Iranian government adopted the kind of Laissez-faire approach you mentioned, it will negate the value of the revolution or the name of the Islamic state it was built for/upon altogether. Might as well just be a Republic then like most countries. In that case it won't be much different from others(so in that case, what would have been the point of the revolution? lol ).
So it's a tricky one for them to be honest.

 

[zartosht]

the best way to turn people off and drive them into the arms of western culture is to try and force islamist rules on them.

islamists really need to go to their wonderfull heaven by themselves and not force others (kicking and screaming) with them. if you follow that simple principle of not ENFORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS, then every single issue related to religion, islam etc.. would be solved.

with that said, Iranian culture needs to be preserved. and western cultural invasion needs to be stopped. Just look at Japan today, one of the most unique and beautiful cultures in the world is unrecognizable. They have almost lost their own culture, and become Asian version of the white "western" country. s. korea is also going this path...

we don't want that in Iran. But Islam to Iran is also not native. Iranians have their own culture that sometimes has come into conflict with islam. Wine used to be a HUGE part of Iranian industry and culture that was completely anahilated by Islamic culture as 1 example.

Famous shiraz wine brand still exists almost everywhere but Iran. We need to find the right balance. but the solution is not to force Taliban style islamist rule on people. That's an old failed policy of the revolution that needs to go away.

 

[Numerous]

Too many problems in Iran. Nationalists hating that they got conquered by Muslims, the state religion not being a very nourishing one (I'm not talking about Islam...), the ayotollahs being brutal, the strategy of trying to force Iranians to be more religious even when they haven't been that religious for probably decades. All of this leading to them becoming even less religious as time goes on.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

War mongering tribes have always had an easy time against largely unarmed societies like India.
Scenario has changed now. Brute force no longer works. Modern weapons are the best equalisers.
Coming back to the topic, if you fail to liberalise, your elites will leave.

Warmongering? Control your terrorist PM
Btw we ain't tribes we are a nations, cupcake

This is the same BS some Pakistanis on PDF tell us about Indians. So WHO EXACTLY are you guys like? cuz for 1 Pashtunistan covers parts of both Afghanistan and Pakistan....but u deny that..then you prolly deny Pakistanis and Indians share any genetics...so it seems you guys are straight from heaven only?

Who are you, American? First figure out what kind of white are you? Or are u maybe an illegitimate child as a consequence from the wars with the natives

Look at all these Indians jumping up and down and those that hide under false flags too. So cute @OsmanAli98 @Indus Pakistan @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

the best way to turn people off and drive them into the arms of western culture is to try and force islamist rules on them.

islamists really need to go to their wonderfull heaven by themselves and not force others (kicking and screaming) with them. if you follow that simple principle of not ENFORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS, then every single issue related to religion, islam etc.. would be solved.

with that said, Iranian culture needs to be preserved. and western cultural invasion needs to be stopped. Just look at Japan today, one of the most unique and beautiful cultures in the world is unrecognizable. They have almost lost their own culture, and become Asian version of the white "western" country. s. korea is also going this path...

we don't want that in Iran. But Islam to Iran is also not native. Iranians have their own culture that sometimes has come into conflict with islam. Wine used to be a HUGE part of Iranian industry and culture that was completely anahilated by Islamic culture as 1 example.

Famous shiraz wine brand still exists almost everywhere but Iran. We need to find the right balance. but the solution is not to force Taliban style islamist rule on people. That's an old failed policy of the revolution that needs to go away.

"Shiraz" wine has nothing to do with Iran, lol. It is a French grape sort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrah

The modern "Shiraz" grape is identical to Syrah and originated in southeast France with no established connection to Persia (Iran).[3]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz_wine

Wine was a huge part of Arab culture as well. Wine is native to the Middle East so go figure. So not an exclusively Iranian phenomenon.

It is funny that you talk about "Westernization". You guys are more pro-Western and more quick to adopt anything Western than us Arabs in general. Just look at your diaspora that will do everything in order to be accepted. If that means pretending to be a persecuted Christian or homosexual, you will use that excuse. Or the "Aryan" nonsense talk despite DNA disproving that fact ages ago. Despite Arabs living in lands with a bigger proximity to Europe.
You even stopped wearing your own native clothing. Banned tribalism that was widespread in Iran (always) under the Shah too. As an outsider looking at your society you lack the middle ground. Either it is some absurd Aryan Zoroastrian nonsense (often) abroad, hardcore Shia Islam or total indifference to any religion.

Anyway I will give you credit for keeping crafts such as carpet making alive but how long will that last?

The problem with you guys is that you went from one extreme (Shah and his wannabe Western liberalization in a mostly impoverished and traditional country) to extreme Islamism. Your country is acting more like a revolutionary state (hence the state of your country) rather than a rational nation state. Instead of improving basic services inside Iran your leaders prefer to spend billions abroad, preferably in Arab countries and only Arab countries that are unstable as otherwise your regime cannot meddle. Case in point Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

I have no love lost for your regime but is a shame that relations are as they are because historical rivalry aside, a strong Arab-Iranian bloc (just GCC alone not talking about all 20 Arab countries here as must have no exposure to you guys due to geography it is mostly the GCC and Iraq and since 40 years ago Syria and Lebanon) that was stable and worked together, could have done wonders for the region.

Anyway surprised that "morality police"/"religious police" is still a thing in Iran when it is no longer the case in KSA for quite some time now.

Warmongering? Control your terrorist PM
Btw we ain't tribes we are a nations, cupcake


Who are you, American? First figure out what kind of white are you? Or are u maybe an illegitimate child as a consequence from the wars with the natives

Look at all these Indians jumping up and down and those that hide under false flags too. So cute @OsmanAli98 @Indus Pakistan @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

That 925boy is an Nigerian Iranian Mullah regime apologist who often posts nonsense about Arabs and Pakistanis.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

"Shiraz" wine has nothing to do with Iran, lol. It is a French grape sort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrah

The modern "Shiraz" grape is identical to Syrah and originated in southeast France with no established connection to Persia (Iran).[3]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz_wine

Wine was a huge part of Arab culture as well. Wine is native to the Middle East so go figure. So not an exclusively Iranian phenomenon.

It is funny that you talk about "Westernization". You guys are more pro-Western and more quick to adopt anything Western than us Arabs in general. Just look at your diaspora that will do everything in order to be accepted. If that means pretending to be a persecuted Christian or homosexual, you will use that excuse. Or the "Aryan" nonsense talk despite DNA disproving that fact ages ago. Despite Arabs living in lands with a bigger proximity to Europe.
You even stopped wearing your own native clothing. Banned tribalism that was widespread in Iran (always) under the Shah too. As an outsider looking at your society you lack the middle ground. Either it is some absurd Aryan Zoroastrian nonsense (often) abroad, hardcore Shia Islam or total indifference to any religion.

Anyway I will give you credit for keeping crafts such as carpet making alive but how long will that last?

The problem with you guys is that you went from one extreme (Shah and his wannabe Western liberalization in a mostly impoverished and traditional country) to extreme Islamism. Your country is acting more like a revolutionary state (hence the state of your country) rather than a rational nation state. Instead of improving basic services inside Iran your leaders prefer to spend billions abroad, preferably in Arab countries and only Arab countries that are unstable as otherwise your regime cannot meddle. Case in point Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

I have no love lost for your regime but is a shame that relations are as they are because historical rivalry aside, a strong Arab-Iranian bloc (just GCC alone not talking about all 20 Arab countries here as must have no exposure to you guys due to geography it is mostly the GCC and Iraq and since 40 years ago Syria and Lebanon) that was stable and worked together, could have done wonders for the region.

Anyway surprised that "morality police"/"religious police" is still a thing in Iran.



That 925boy is an Nigerian Iranian Mullah regime apologist who often posts nonsense about Arabs and Pakistanis.

Hiding under American flags

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

"Shiraz" wine has nothing to do with Iran, lol. It is a French grape sort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrah

The modern "Shiraz" grape is identical to Syrah and originated in southeast France with no established connection to Persia (Iran).[3]​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz_wine

Wine was a huge part of Arab culture as well. Wine is native to the Middle East so go figure. So not an exclusively Iranian phenomenon.

It is funny that you talk about "Westernization". You guys are more pro-Western and more quick to adopt anything Western than us Arabs in general. Just look at your diaspora that will do everything in order to be accepted. If that means pretending to be a persecuted Christian or homosexual, you will use that excuse. Or the "Aryan" nonsense talk despite DNA disproving that fact ages ago. Despite Arabs living in lands with a bigger proximity to Europe.
You even stopped wearing your own native clothing. Banned tribalism that was widespread in Iran (always) under the Shah too. As an outsider looking at your society you lack the middle ground. Either it is some absurd Aryan Zoroastrian nonsense (often) abroad, hardcore Shia Islam or total indifference to any religion.

Anyway I will give you credit for keeping crafts such as carpet making alive but how long will that last?

The problem with you guys is that you went from one extreme (Shah and his wannabe Western liberalization in a mostly impoverished and traditional country) to extreme Islamism. Your country is acting more like a revolutionary state (hence the state of your country) rather than a rational nation state. Instead of improving basic services inside Iran your leaders prefer to spend billions abroad, preferably in Arab countries and only Arab countries that are unstable as otherwise your regime cannot meddle. Case in point Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

I have no love lost for your regime but is a shame that relations are as they are because historical rivalry aside, a strong Arab-Iranian bloc (just GCC alone not talking about all 20 Arab countries here as must have no exposure to you guys due to geography it is mostly the GCC and Iraq and since 40 years ago Syria and Lebanon) that was stable and worked together, could have done wonders for the region.

Anyway surprised that "morality police"/"religious police" is still a thing in Iran when it is no longer the case in KSA for quite some time now.

That 925boy is an Nigerian Iranian Mullah regime apologist who often posts nonsense about Arabs and Pakistanis.

Actually Iran should spend more in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and even Yemen (if it spends anything there). That's our foreign policy and till now it saved us from being invaded, it made new friends for us (by supporting neighbours). It would even surprise you that even Shah of Iran supported the shia of Lebanon and sent forces to Oman to battle communists... Now Oman trusts Iran, even while shah is gone, Iran continued same policy.

Wine was produced in many places, however the earliest archaeological evidence of wine fermentation has been found in China, Georgia, Iran.

What you say about "aryan" could be said about arabs (sudanese, saudi, syrian, moroccan, almost nothing in common). Your people became very fat and obese because of western food culture, mcdonalds near mecca for example...
Morality police will disappear because it will cause a lot of conflicts and people will resist them, islamic republic is aware of it. The evolution in our society will come from the heart of our society, not from 1 guy who decides that some things need to be changed. If there is a wide scale demand, the system has to adjust, better soon than late.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Actually Iran should spend more in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and even Yemen (if it spends anything there). That's our foreign policy and till now it saved us from being invaded, it made new friends for us (by supporting neighbours). It would even surprise you that even Shah of Iran supported the shia of Lebanon and sent forces to Oman to battle communists... Now Oman trusts Iran, even while shah is gone, Iran continued same policy.

Wine was produced in many places, however the earliest archaeological evidence of wine fermentation has been found in China, Georgia, Iran.

What you say about "aryan" could be said about arabs (sudanese, saudi, syrian, moroccan, almost nothing in common). Your people became very fat and obese because of western food culture, mcdonalds near mecca for example...
Morality police will disappear because it will cause a lot of conflicts and people will resist them, islamic republic is aware of it. The evolution in our society will come from the heart of our society, not from 1 guy who decides that some things need to be changed. If there is a wide scale demand, the system has to adjust, better soon than late.

You would do better to focus on lawless and drug-infested Afghanistan than tiny Lebanon 1500 km away from your border or Syria similarly located far away. Yemen too. Your only direct Arab neighbors are the GCC and Iraq. It is those countries that you should have ties with and preferably (for your own sake) positive relations. Your regime's role in Iraq is not positive. That country is turning into a shithole the more Iranian Mullah influence there are much like Iran itself.

If you goal is to somehow "de-Arabize" those countries or make them hate fellow Arabs, it is a very failed goal, time, lives and money wasted. If it is about some "anti-Western" front, it is the most stupid way to get their attention and involvement in the region. A smart person and state do such things in utmost secret or limits the effects of its policy.

If Arabs wanted to destroy Iran, we could all gang up and do that. However it would not be worth it and moreover it would be foolish. So your main threat is not Arabs but your very own Mullah regime. If your Mullah regime behaved, there would be no such focus from the outside on this region. It began under your previous Shah who was incredibly close with the US. What you blame Arabs for (GCC), you did yourself earlier and on an arguably larger scale.

Shah supporting Shias in Lebanon? Any proof of this. As for communists in Oman, the entire neighborhood did that (all monarchies). Communism was the main ideological threat for Iran (monarchy) and Arab monarchies. For Arab monarchies pan-Arabism was a threat too. Oman under the current Sultan have a policy of no interference and are neutral. It is suits them well. It is a nice and beautiful Arabian country with friendly people.

Actually Iraq and Levant as well. As for country with the oldest claim, I think that is Georgia.

You know what I am talking about. A olive skinned/brown Iranian (vast majority), much like Arabs and other Middle Easterners (Turks included) and Aryan nonsense (tryin very hard to be accepted by the White Westerner) is something much more widely seen among Iranian diaspora.

People are getting more and more obese everywhere, including in Iran. However the trend is changing for the better in KSA and the worst hit GCC countries (Kuwait). Fast Food is indeed nonsense but that is the result when you adopt capitalism and a free market. Even in Iran there are cheap Fast Food imitations of the original Fast Food chain. In any case my view of that American nonsense is well-known here. Burn it and ban it. However it will not happen because people are dumb by large all over the world. However eventually they will wake up as many already have done.

All my points about Arabs being more traditional (in the good way) and rejecting more Western (harmful) influence remains the same. Many Iranians are also Godless (do not believe in any God) so their actions and ideology becomes devoid. Everything is permissible and nothing much is important. Results in societies (without direction other than enrichment) like in many Western countries.

MbS removed it because he knew that the vast majority of people were always against it. It was a foreign 30 year old concept that came with the Sahwa movement. Case in point weekly harassment and complains from women (in particular, many brave) and men alike. On some fronts they did good but nowadays they are hardly present and those that are present can only encourage, they have zero authority. If some women is wearing "whorish" (almost impossible in KSA) clothing and behaving immorally such dedicated people to prevent such behavior by using reasons and common logic (words) can be helpful.

In any case, there are many contradictions among the popular views of many Iranians as described by me. Sometimes you have to choose a patch. Extreme Islamism (Wilayat al-Faqih) and acting like a revolutionary state and doing nothing good in the region or using forceful Westernization like under a Shah in a traditional country where majority lived in villages and remained conservative, is looking for trouble. It reminds me of the Turkish dilemmas between Islamism, secularism, ethno-nationalism ("Turkic"-Kurdish divide etc.). Thank God that outside small areas of Syria and Iraq (Kurdish problem) and sectarianism (Sunni and Shia - this will die out soon) we Arabs do not have such problems.

 

[Dubious]

@waz @Dubious

Close this thread and ban the OP !


Btw Google "morality police in the us" and "European medieval age punishments" to see stupid & wild nature of Westerns and how many millions of rach other they have killed.

Why coz its about Iran? You have no shame when you posts such articles abt Saudi....