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Not number, the place of the exercise, where history was made with F7 & f22 in the same arena.What this city is to do with the number of F-7 we have?
Does the F7 have data link?I think we have lost around 12 single-seat PGs. And while it is a marked improvement over the baseline F-7M/P, and has a niche role to play in the air interdiction role, its not capable enough in the coming decade due to electronic obsolescence. Mind you, its upgraded but with technology that is still 30 years old.
PAF produced the first Grifo set in KARF in October 2000. The radar development started all the way back in 1990.
I googled and my decades old site came up in the results haha
i see the logic but cant help but feel that the limitations of the platform are dictating PAF decision making. Why else would we go for the M3s from Egypt rather than getting newer air frames from China while it was producing them.I also suspect that the Chinese airframes do not have any meaningful life left in them.It could be interesting if PAF bought 50 F-7PGs second hand from China (China is retiring these in large numbers), had them rebuilt, with an AESA radar in the nose and modern avionics. Armed with two SD-10s and 2 PL-10s, they could serve as deadly point defense fighters, and act as close air support for the army.
100 such aircraft as the second line fighters for PAF would not be bad at all.
i see the logic but cant help but feel that the limitations of the platform are dictating PAF decision making. Why else would we go for the M3s from Egypt rather than getting newer air frames from China while it was producing them.I also suspect that the Chinese airframes do not have any meaningful life left in them.
This is a backward step and the 200 million you are looking to spend on getting fodder for the enemy can be utilized better with the Block 3s (even if we get 30 platforms). Case in point PAF ducked out of the Sabre 2 programme fairly early on. I was in UK at the time(1988) and met up with a few Aeronautical MSC/PHD level students from Cranwell. Their contention was that the money sunk into the project was a wasted effort as it did not take away the basic limitations of the platform ie short range., small nose cone and lack of upgradability. PAF perseveres with the M3/5s primarily due to longer Airframe life and space available for upgrades. I know even this is not ideal but our financial situation demands appropriate decisions.
My own thought is that PAF puts whatever it has in its kitty and goes for J31, 2-3 squadrons in 2023-25 time frame provided the plane still exists and then sits back and works with Project Azm. I strongly suspect the Chinese will not let you have them till you buy some J10s and we will end up buying J10s
I wish it was that simple. The considerations will be.Well, even if you leave aside upgrading the F-7PGs, it would cost a minimal amount to upgrade the Mirage IIIs with JFT block 2/3 PD radars and electronics - as they get upgraded to near block 3 standard.
Well, even if you leave aside upgrading the F-7PGs, it would cost a minimal amount to upgrade the Mirage IIIs with JFT block 2/3 PD radars and electronics - as they get upgraded to near block 3 standard.
My brother.Araz bro, so you really do think that PAF will end up having J-10's ?
If I had my way and if money was not an issue and J31 ready that would be my next buy. But we neither have the mone, nor a ready product to buy. The only other option open to us is the J10. PAF liked what it saw and the progress made by the Chinese. The Chinese want to sell their product and if the terms are right I suspect PAF might do so. We do need an interim product which could either have been more 16s or J10s. The former door is now closed or too unreliable. It therefore points to the latter product.
I still think we need to wait till a squadron of Block3 is inducted and re evaluate. If it exceeds expectations we may carry on, but if a gap is felt then J10 may well be the answer.