Mehdi Hussain, the district general secretary of PTI, was arrested after the Palestine solidarity rally yesterday. He was brutally tortured and made to issue a statement to denounce PTI and in support of the Pakistan Army
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Mehdi Hussain, the district general secretary of PTI, was arrested after the Palestine solidarity rally yesterday. He was brutally tortured and made to issue a statement to denounce PTI and in support of the Pakistan Army
@-blitzkrieg- @iLION12345_1 @Signalian
Brothers, you support such kind of psycho strategy? What nonsense is this? You guys should condemn such behavior in your circles. Pls call spade a spade. No one is perfect. Criticism is important and critical for any nation to progress and any blunders to be avoided. Every sane person can understand this psychopathic strategy is damaging the very fabric of nation. The hatred against the whole army is increasing because of such tactics. After mass abductions, bogus cases, tortures on women, elderly, their relatives, their businesses, Arshad shareef, IRK, countless ordinary pakistanis and forcing people to quit political power using entire state power and then COAS says no one will be allowed to create wedge between nation and Army? Can someone please show our COAS a mirror. He and only himself is 100% responsible for all the hatred that's in people's hearts now. People who loved and defended army for entire their lives are in utter disappointment. People who never were part of PTI are now against of military. Putting women and cancer patients in jails is a new low set by this military command.
No patriotic military heads with any honor and integrity can use tools of torture, abductions, gun-point political surgeries against masses. This approach is severely damaging already bottom rock reputation of the army.
On a political note, COAS is making an example that anyone who loves Pakistan will be tortured and punished. IK can be a fool on many things, but he always loved his country passionately, always defended Pakistan vehemently. Even on military blunders, he defended, multiple occasions on OBL raid, on US accusing army to double play in WOT, IK was one who with his arguements put entire blame on US and shielded army. The guy who has ZERO bank accounts outside country, ZERO property outside, ZERO corruption, made cancer hospitals, always thought about Pakistanis is being punished is an example being set that Pakistanis should always do corruption, always do money laundering, always bow down in front of US masters and only than they shall be rewarded by the state.
Wake up your conscious and be loyal to Pakistan. Patriotism is always being loyal to your country and not to a 22nd grade govt officer even if he goes against all the norms, constitution of the country and laws of the country. The basic ethics, laws & constitution meant Pakistan that was supposed to protect ordinary Pakistani from any powerful individual misusing their resources.
What if this guy was from PMLN or PPP or any other political party. Would your response be the same ?@-blitzkrieg- @iLION12345_1 @Signalian
Brothers, you support such kind of psycho strategy? What nonsense is this? You guys should condemn such behavior in your circles. Pls call spade a spade. No one is perfect. Criticism is important and critical for any nation to progress and any blunders to be avoided. Every sane person can understand this psychopathic strategy is damaging the very fabric of nation. The hatred against the whole army is increasing because of such tactics. After mass abductions, bogus cases, tortures on women, elderly, their relatives, their businesses, Arshad shareef, IRK, countless ordinary pakistanis and forcing people to quit political power using entire state power and then COAS says no one will be allowed to create wedge between nation and Army? Can someone please show our COAS a mirror. He and only himself is 100% responsible for all the hatred that's in people's hearts now. People who loved and defended army for entire their lives are in utter disappointment. People who never were part of PTI are now against of military. Putting women and cancer patients in jails is a new low set by this military command.
No patriotic military heads with any honor and integrity can use tools of torture, abductions, gun-point political surgeries against masses. This approach is severely damaging already bottom rock reputation of the army.
On a political note, COAS is making an example that anyone who loves Pakistan will be tortured and punished. IK can be a fool on many things, but he always loved his country passionately, always defended Pakistan vehemently. Even on military blunders, he defended, multiple occasions on OBL raid, on US accusing army to double play in WOT, IK was one who with his arguements put entire blame on US and shielded army. The guy who has ZERO bank accounts outside country, ZERO property outside, ZERO corruption, made cancer hospitals, always thought about Pakistanis is being punished is an example being set that Pakistanis should always do corruption, always do money laundering, always bow down in front of US masters and only than they shall be rewarded by the state.
Wake up your conscious and be loyal to Pakistan. Patriotism is always being loyal to your country and not to a 22nd grade govt officer even if he goes against all the norms, constitution of the country and laws of the country. The basic ethics, laws & constitution meant Pakistan that was supposed to protect ordinary Pakistani from any powerful individual misusing their resources.
I want to know, the culture of Pakistan Army, Can any General do arguments with COAS and tell him politely that his strategy is fatal for Pakistan? Or just everyone says "yes sir" no matter what the strategy is? People who criticize his strategy have no personal enmity with him. Why on earth the guy thinks himself as God? He is just a 22nd grade govt officer. He is nothing more and nothing less. Is Pakistan army that weak, that little criticism, or difference in opinion is treated as mutiny?? Why there is zero tolerance to listen? Why so much censorship? Why torturing & killing journalists who spoke. Those journalists never said a word against Pakistan but were always spoke for pakistan. An individual can never be above Pakistan. There has to be accountability for all 22nd grade govt officers and COAS is one of them. IF they are doing something against law than there should be mechanism in military to tell him to get it right. Don't make false Gods please and treat them as humanbeing with lot of unaccounted power and no guidance. Thank you
yes - he like me seems to be a principled anti-faujeetWhat if this guy was from PMLN or PPP or any other political party. Would your response be the same ?
What makes you think I support this or any form of cruelty that commonly plagues some sections of our armed forces? I condemn them just as much as I do the politicians. Whoever is in power at whatever time equally oppresses this country.@-blitzkrieg- @iLION12345_1 @Signalian
Brothers, you support such kind of psycho strategy? What nonsense is this? You guys should condemn such behavior in your circles. Pls call spade a spade. No one is perfect. Criticism is important and critical for any nation to progress and any blunders to be avoided. Every sane person can understand this psychopathic strategy is damaging the very fabric of nation. The hatred against the whole army is increasing because of such tactics. After mass abductions, bogus cases, tortures on women, elderly, their relatives, their businesses, Arshad shareef, IRK, countless ordinary pakistanis and forcing people to quit political power using entire state power and then COAS says no one will be allowed to create wedge between nation and Army? Can someone please show our COAS a mirror. He and only himself is 100% responsible for all the hatred that's in people's hearts now. People who loved and defended army for entire their lives are in utter disappointment. People who never were part of PTI are now against of military. Putting women and cancer patients in jails is a new low set by this military command.
No patriotic military heads with any honor and integrity can use tools of torture, abductions, gun-point political surgeries against masses. This approach is severely damaging already bottom rock reputation of the army.
On a political note, COAS is making an example that anyone who loves Pakistan will be tortured and punished. IK can be a fool on many things, but he always loved his country passionately, always defended Pakistan vehemently. Even on military blunders, he defended, multiple occasions on OBL raid, on US accusing army to double play in WOT, IK was one who with his arguements put entire blame on US and shielded army. The guy who has ZERO bank accounts outside country, ZERO property outside, ZERO corruption, made cancer hospitals, always thought about Pakistanis is being punished is an example being set that Pakistanis should always do corruption, always do money laundering, always bow down in front of US masters and only than they shall be rewarded by the state.
Wake up your conscious and be loyal to Pakistan. Patriotism is always being loyal to your country and not to a 22nd grade govt officer even if he goes against all the norms, constitution of the country and laws of the country. The basic ethics, laws & constitution meant Pakistan that was supposed to protect ordinary Pakistani from any powerful individual misusing their resources.
I want to know, the culture of Pakistan Army, Can any General do arguments with COAS and tell him politely that his strategy is fatal for Pakistan? Or just everyone says "yes sir" no matter what the strategy is? People who criticize his strategy have no personal enmity with him. Why on earth the guy thinks himself as God? He is just a 22nd grade govt officer. He is nothing more and nothing less. Is Pakistan army that weak, that little criticism, or difference in opinion is treated as mutiny?? Why there is zero tolerance to listen? Why so much censorship? Why torturing & killing journalists who spoke. Those journalists never said a word against Pakistan but were always spoke for pakistan. An individual can never be above Pakistan. There has to be accountability for all 22nd grade govt officers and COAS is one of them. IF they are doing something against law than there should be mechanism in military to tell him to get it right. Don't make false Gods please and treat them as humanbeing with lot of unaccounted power and no guidance. Thank you
Bro,What if this guy was from PMLN or PPP or any other political party. Would your response be the same ?
yes - he like me seems to be a principled anti-faujeet
What makes you think I support this or any form of cruelty that commonly plagues some sections of our armed forces? I condemn them just as much as I do the politicians. Whoever is in power at whatever time equally oppresses this country.
Any country can bring changes under the pretext of “security concerns”. Grabbing Power isn’t an issue for Military. You see military doesn’t use guns or tanks up grab power, they stand behind, in the shadows. It’s good and it’s bad. But it’s worse too. Why has it become worst ? Well all thanks to IK who has done his best to malign the image of military in the eyes of public. So even if military does anything good, it will be seen with doubts by public, as is evident on this forum too.Bro,
I would have been more sad & disappointed if that to be done to PMLN & PPP as those parties would have been crushed under the boots in no time. Let's be honest, if Pakistan army becomes apolitical ( just like hilariously & shamelessly ISPR claims time and over again) then PTI will do a clean sweep and that's because they have support from the masses. That support base is the reason that army had to abduct people without any regard of basic ethics or law then torture them and then convert them on gun point after putting them and their families lives through hell. They have already done to 1000s but perhaps 1000s of workers still in hiding and not giving up. Only thing which is happening is hatred against military increasing which both of us know is not good for country's future. Next Army leaderships will have to bear the burden of mistakes which current leadership is doing.
There is another important point which I wanted to ask you, With such large operation going on for political surgeries, huge number of people are being suppressed, new political parties are being created, Agencies are involved, police is involved, a hell lot of man-power is involved, state machinery is involved, You tell me who gives the right to COAS to misuse that much people's money on actions which are illegal anyway. If that's not corruption then what it is? It's actually more than corruption. In a perfect society its nothing short of treachery. You play a vital role in attacking your own country's govt, weakens it and topples it, practically suspends law by stopping Pakistani citizens to exercise their basic right to vote (for Punjab & KP assembies), you forge president signatures to pass a controversial law , lawless enviroment, abductions, if this is not treachery then what it is ?
Bro, I am just anti-unconstitutional. or anti any govt service member who violates law, basic ethics, misuse of funds. We must desire a society where ordinary Pakistani has rights and is protected. No state organ should be able to touch a hair on Pakistani citizen. Without law & protection, its not a country but a hell hole and people will start to hate it sooner or later.
Thank you
Well all thanks to IK who has done his best to malign the image of military in the eyes of public. So even if military does anything good, it will be seen with doubts by public, as is evident on this forum too.
Now start thinking for yourself. COAS can get any amount of property, or business or anything he wishes, he can snatch power and stay in power till he breathes and honestly no one can do anything about in Pakistan
Today if military digs a small well, the negative mindset of media will say that military found gold so dug a well and will keep the gold for itself -the real reason could be entirely different.
Any country can bring changes under the pretext of “security concerns”. Grabbing Power isn’t an issue for Military. You see military doesn’t use guns or tanks up grab power, they stand behind, in the shadows. It’s good and it’s bad. But it’s worse too. Why has it become worst ? Well all thanks to IK who has done his best to malign the image of military in the eyes of public. So even if military does anything good, it will be seen with doubts by public, as is evident on this forum too.
Now start thinking for yourself. COAS can get any amount of property, or business or anything he wishes, he can snatch power and stay in power till he breathes and honestly no one can do anything about in Pakistan. So is the aim of COAS - grabbing power for life or accumulating wealth ? Like you used the words treachery, treason etc, You tell me what do you think that every step that military takes has to lead to corruption of some sort. Another factor is, lets say, external power influence Pakistan, like suppose USA, as its widely said that USA didn't want IK etc. So while Ayub or Zia, sided with USA to get weapons from USA, now the trend is to get franchises for personal use from USA ? I don't believe that is true because at some point to cover up such a feat, military would have to show some sort of weapon acquisition from USA, with franchises being 10-20% of the whole deal. That is how covering up is accomplished. In fact, military has tilted towards China and Chinese know when Pakistan will be tilting towards USA so with defense deals of tanks/aircrafts and security related deals of CPEC, it doesn't serve Military's interest to adhere to USA demands when China is watching everything. With India as rival, Pakistan has to have China at its back, not USA. This is how the tanks and aircrafts have come on lines of finance from China.
So why would COAS do it ? Next, NADRA. It was actually high time that intelligence resources were diverted towards NADRA. Intel agencies work with each other and at times share information with each other. The current threat to Pakistan has become a nightmare which conventional forces cannot overcome. It is said that ISI and other intel services have swelled up to half a million agents. The tentacles of terrorism have deeply enrooted themselves inside Pakistan, thanks to Afghanistan (Taliban) and funding by India. The uprooting has begun. Afghanis in Pakistan are being seen as a real threat and operations by LEAs are on the rise. Compromise after compromise leading to leakages means that Military will now make its hold even stronger inside Pakistan through intel agencies and also make entry into civil departments through different means. This is not the a complete means to bring peace from terrorism but one of the ways. Those tanks sitting in armored ports have no use against terrorism. Its the intel agents and cyber warfare, which is the way forward and NADRA is one of the gateways.
So, military will do what it needs to do, it doesn't need approval from public, thats what I have been saying. Military plays a hand in politics but its not run like a political company and thats why sooooo many predictions come out to be wrong because you have to understand how military thinks and does things, which even an average Pakistani journalist doesnt seem to understand.
For public and PDF members, everything is about IK and whatever military does is wrong because they link everything to IK. Today if military digs a small well, the negative mindset of media will say that military found gold so dug a well and will keep the gold for itself -the real reason could be entirely different.
Have you not seen that military keeps progressing and keeps continuing its plans, and even then no think tank analyst out there or journalist can predict what is the next plan and what needs to be done next by Military. All these meetings are behind closed doors, but if you study military HQs and their functioning long enough, you will get to know that not all is what is seen as negatively propagated, there has to be rationale behind everything. Otherwise military itself will break and fall. Its not the weapons that is keeping military afloat, its the policies, SOPs etc.
You have to keep a very open mind to know what is happening and maybe talk to people in military or the ones who sit in meetings. Any decision, like appointing uniformed personnel to NADRA, even if not accepted by public, wouldn't make a difference to military unless there is a drastic step that brings compromise from a disaster. Thats why i think the notion like military officers are FA pass is pure BS, without degrees and courses, there is no career progression. To the ones who think that all red tapers like Brigadiers and Generals are all corrupt, I guess military system should fall in one day then, all operations will halt, mutinys will occur, soldiers will desert etc.
I don't believe the talk on PDF or media as since April 2022, I have seen repeatedly that all predictions made about Bajwa, Army, ISI etc have come out to be incorrect. Once a narrative is proved false, the media jumps on next one and creates a hysteria and that becomes false too and then media jumps to the next and so on and so forth.
Never seen a person write so much tatti in one post.
Pakistan Army maligned itself.
F**k your army. I will never support you MFS ever again.
American prostitute BC.