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from:Defining poverty: Measure by measure | The Economist

Measure by measure
The world’s richest country tries to count its poor
Jan 20th 2011 | CHICAGO | from PRINT EDITION


MOST people have an inherent sense of what it means to be poor. But choosing a definition is much trickier. Is poverty an absolute or relative condition? What is a decent standard of living? Such questions have dogged America’s social scientists for decades. This month the Census Bureau published a preliminary estimate of poverty, using a new definition. It was 16 years in the making. But it is not quite finished yet.

Poverty means different things in different countries. In Europe, the poor are those whose income falls below 60% of the median. Britain uses three measures: one relative, one absolute and a broader indicator of material deprivation, such as whether a child can celebrate his birthday. The concept of poverty becomes even more slippery when attempting international comparisons. The United Nations’ “human- development index” assesses countries across a range of indicators, such as schooling and life expectancy.

America’s official poverty measure is far simpler. Developed in the 1960s, the poverty threshold represents the basic cost of food for a household, multiplied by three. A family is judged to be poor if its pre-tax income falls below this threshold. But the official measure provides only a blurry picture. Food spending has become a flimsy reference point—in 2009 groceries accounted for just 7.8% of Americans’ spending. The poverty indicator does not account for programmes that help the poor, such as the earned-income tax credit, nor does it adjust for regional variations in the cost of living. In 1995 the National Academy of Sciences recommended changing the measure, but only now is a new one close to being established.

The “supplemental poverty measure” (SPM) will not replace the official one, which is used to determine eligibility for government programmes. Rather, census officials hope the new indicator will provide a better understanding of America’s poor, by measuring both the needs of families and the effect of government help. The SPM estimates the cost of food, clothing, shelter and utilities, then adds a further 20% for other expenses. This threshold is adjusted for the cost of living in different regions and for whether a family owns or rents its home. To assess a household’s ability to pay for basic expenses, the SPM counts cash income as well as food stamps, tax credits and other government support, minus tax payments, work expenses and out-of-pocket medical costs.

Final figures are due to be published in the autumn, but preliminary results were released this month. In 2009 15.7% of Americans were poor, compared with 14.5% in the official measure (see chart). The share of those in extreme poverty fell, relative to the official measure, thanks to the inclusion of government support. The poverty rate dropped in rural areas and rose in urban and suburban ones. It jumped in the north-east and the West, while staying almost level in the South and falling in the Midwest. The most dramatic rise was for the elderly—from 9.9% in the official measure to 16.1% in the SPM, in part because of their high medical expenses.

Timothy Smeeding of the University of Wisconsin, long a critic of the old measure, says that the SPM is a massive improvement. Some conservatives, however, are horrified. Most objectionable, according to Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, is that the new measure pegs household expenses at the 33rd percentile of American spending. This, he argues, makes the SPM a relative measure, rather than an absolute one. “It measures inequality,” Mr Rector insists, adding that it will help advance a misguided anti-poverty agenda.

For all the time spent developing the SPM, it is still a work in progress. Though first official numbers are supposed to be published in the autumn, even this is uncertain. Surveys must be expanded to collect additional data. The project needs about $7.5m, and a newly conservative Congress may be reluctant to provide it.

from PRINT EDITION | United States
 
from:Defining poverty: Measure by measure | The Economist

Measure by measure
The world’s richest country tries to count its poor
Jan 20th 2011 | CHICAGO | from PRINT EDITION


MOST people have an inherent sense of what it means to be poor. But choosing a definition is much trickier. Is poverty an absolute or relative condition? What is a decent standard of living? Such questions have dogged America’s social scientists for decades. This month the Census Bureau published a preliminary estimate of poverty, using a new definition. It was 16 years in the making. But it is not quite finished yet.

Poverty means different things in different countries. In Europe, the poor are those whose income falls below 60% of the median. Britain uses three measures: one relative, one absolute and a broader indicator of material deprivation, such as whether a child can celebrate his birthday. The concept of poverty becomes even more slippery when attempting international comparisons. The United Nations’ “human- development index” assesses countries across a range of indicators, such as schooling and life expectancy.

America’s official poverty measure is far simpler. Developed in the 1960s, the poverty threshold represents the basic cost of food for a household, multiplied by three. A family is judged to be poor if its pre-tax income falls below this threshold. But the official measure provides only a blurry picture. Food spending has become a flimsy reference point—in 2009 groceries accounted for just 7.8% of Americans’ spending. The poverty indicator does not account for programmes that help the poor, such as the earned-income tax credit, nor does it adjust for regional variations in the cost of living. In 1995 the National Academy of Sciences recommended changing the measure, but only now is a new one close to being established.

The “supplemental poverty measure” (SPM) will not replace the official one, which is used to determine eligibility for government programmes. Rather, census officials hope the new indicator will provide a better understanding of America’s poor, by measuring both the needs of families and the effect of government help. The SPM estimates the cost of food, clothing, shelter and utilities, then adds a further 20% for other expenses. This threshold is adjusted for the cost of living in different regions and for whether a family owns or rents its home. To assess a household’s ability to pay for basic expenses, the SPM counts cash income as well as food stamps, tax credits and other government support, minus tax payments, work expenses and out-of-pocket medical costs.

Final figures are due to be published in the autumn, but preliminary results were released this month. In 2009 15.7% of Americans were poor, compared with 14.5% in the official measure (see chart). The share of those in extreme poverty fell, relative to the official measure, thanks to the inclusion of government support. The poverty rate dropped in rural areas and rose in urban and suburban ones. It jumped in the north-east and the West, while staying almost level in the South and falling in the Midwest. The most dramatic rise was for the elderly—from 9.9% in the official measure to 16.1% in the SPM, in part because of their high medical expenses.

Timothy Smeeding of the University of Wisconsin, long a critic of the old measure, says that the SPM is a massive improvement. Some conservatives, however, are horrified. Most objectionable, according to Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, is that the new measure pegs household expenses at the 33rd percentile of American spending. This, he argues, makes the SPM a relative measure, rather than an absolute one. “It measures inequality,” Mr Rector insists, adding that it will help advance a misguided anti-poverty agenda.

For all the time spent developing the SPM, it is still a work in progress. Though first official numbers are supposed to be published in the autumn, even this is uncertain. Surveys must be expanded to collect additional data. The project needs about $7.5m, and a newly conservative Congress may be reluctant to provide it.

from PRINT EDITION | United States

Americans have poor. Yea and they are growing in number
 
Americans have poor. Yea and they are growing in number

Yes, you are correct. Every nation has poor, and the number and their growth (or fall) depends on how poverty and relative poverty are defined, as the article says.
 
Yes, you are correct. Every nation has poor, and the number and their growth (or fall) depends on how poverty and relative poverty are defined, as the article says.

Or if its leadership and or establishment cares or not. Since Bush came in and the tax cuts hes given have created havoc in america
 
Or if its leadership and or establishment cares or not. Since Bush came in and the tax cuts hes given have created havoc in america

The political process here can be maddening and frustrating, but it will right the ship in due course and well before good time, I have no doubt.
 
The political process here can be maddening and frustrating, but it will right the ship in due course and well before good time, I have no doubt.

I think its more in hope on your part than fact. I hear that there are more americans now below the poverty line ie 1 in 15 now
 
The political process here can be maddening and frustrating, but it will right the ship in due course and well before good time, I have no doubt.

So you are frustrated with americans but you give them the benfit of the doubt but you have faith in there country will get it right. But with the country of your forefathers you cant be so generous why??
 
The political process here can be maddening and frustrating, but it will right the ship in due course and well before good time, I have no doubt.

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I think its more in hope on your part than fact. I hear that there are more americans now below the poverty line ie 1 in 15 now

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I'm sure the Americans will bounce back. Despite the increasing poverty, they are still the richest economy by a fair bit.

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Yes many developed countries have poor people in them though very less in number.

But what differentiates from developing countries and developed countries, is that govt in developed countries can afford and in reality they give funds, foodstamps, medical and education facilities free to poor. (Infact in australia, if woman gives birth to child and decides to leave her job, govt gives her money for all her maintainence and daily expenses.)

The issue of limited funds for free aid to poor is where developing countries fell far far behind.
 
I think its more in hope on your part than fact. I hear that there are more americans now below the poverty line ie 1 in 15 now

You have intentionally selective "hearing". Please look into how the US poverty line is defined, and then compare that to median incomes in the rest of the world, just as a learning exercise, should you be inclined to look at the wider picture.

So you are frustrated with americans but you give them the benfit of the doubt but you have faith in there country will get it right. But with the country of your forefathers you cant be so generous why??

USA has systems that work; Pakistan does not. Simple but important distinction that is indeed.
 
You have intentionally selective "hearing". Please look into how the US poverty line is defined, and then compare that to median incomes in the rest of the world, just as a learning exercise, should you be inclined to look at the wider picture.



USA has systems that work; Pakistan does not. Simple but important distinction that is indeed.
So what the US defines as poverty, other countries may define as being quite well off?
 
So what the US defines as poverty, other countries may define as being quite well off?

The poverty line is a RELATIVE measure and is adjusted according to "accumulated income less than 60% of the median household disposable income". Thus, the poverty level for 2011 was set at $22,350 for a family of four.

That is about $5587 per person. It would be illustrative to compare that with median incomes in the rest of the world.
 
You have intentionally selective "hearing". Please look into how the US poverty line is defined, and then compare that to median incomes in the rest of the world, just as a learning exercise, should you be inclined to look at the wider picture.



USA has systems that work; Pakistan does not. Simple but important distinction that is indeed.

That is why you are loyal to the country of your adoption - and show hatred for the land of your birth. Mercenary comes to mind.
 

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