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LONDON: In an extraordinary outburst, recorded in a U.S. Embassy cable from New Delhi, and accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, Israel's Deputy Chief of Mission in New Delhi, Yoed Magen, accused a senior official of Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) of behaving “more often as the representative of the Palestinians, rather than India” during a visit to Israel in August 2005.

According to the cable, sent on September 1, 2005 ( 39624: secret), Mr. Magen gave U.S. Ambassador David Mulford “an unexpectedly downbeat readout of the August 28 visit to Jerusalem by MEA Secretary East Rajiv Sikri.” The Israeli diplomat told Mr. Mulford that the Israelis refused to issue the customary post-visit joint statement after the Indian delegation “insisted” that it should be with the dateline Tel Aviv and not Jerusalem.

“The Israelis went all out for this visit,” Ambassador Mulford relayed to Washington, “supplementing the formal Foreign Office talks (led by Deputy Director-General for Asia and Pacific Amos Nadai) with a call on Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom. Magen reported that Indian Ambassador to Tel Aviv Arun K. Singh seemed shocked by Sikri's unreformed positions on issues like disengagement, adding that the Indian delegation appeared completely unmoved by changes sparked by Arafat's death, the Gaza withdrawal, and strengthened India-Israel ties. ‘It was like nothing had changed', the Israeli DCM concluded.”

In perhaps an unintended give-away, Mr. Magen “confirmed that the Israeli Embassy had been the source for a recent front page story and editorial in the pro-BJP Pioneer criticizing India for its failure to acknowledge the Gaza withdrawal.”

The MEA earlier rebuffed the Israeli Embassy when it asked for a statement on Gaza, saying that disengagement was only one step in a long process.”

Ambassador Mulford, of course, made no secret of where his sympathies lay. In a comment, titled “Profiles in Cowardice,” he waxed eloquent on one of his favourite themes, the “duplicity” of the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government's Israel policy: “The contrast in public approaches between the NDA and UPA government could not be more stark. The continued old-think in MEA … clashes with India's proposal during the visit last week of Israel's Chief Scientist Eli Opper to expand the soon-to-be-established USD 2 million per year joint Indo-Israeli R&D fund to USD 25 million … It also stands in marked contrast to India's expanding defense trade with Israel. The GOI is willing to get down to business with Israel in defense, commercial, and scientific areas … However, the foreign policy establishment remains mired firmly in the past as the Congress-led UPA (beholden to India's 130 million Muslims for a chunk of its political support) continues to posture itself as the defender of Palestinian ambitions. The net result of this duplicity is that others have done more with Israel than the UPA.”

The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : MEA team's visit incensed Israel
 
Yoed Magen, accused a senior official of Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) of behaving “more often as the representative of the Palestinians, rather than India” during a visit to Israel in August 2005.

When will we realise that Palestinians have nothing to offer to us in comparison to the Israelis who have everything to offer ? :hitwall:

This vote-bank policy is really ruining my nation.
 
When will we realise that Palestinians have nothing to offer to us in comparison to the Israelis who have everything to offer ? :hitwall:

This vote-bank policy is really ruining my nation.

does all that israel offering is for charity , they are getting big money for that...
and everything is not on offer , like the AESA radar...
 
does all that israel offering is for charity , they are getting big money for that...
and everything is not on offer , like the AESA radar...

Pay money and try getting the Raptor from the US. Everything cant be got for money.

Yes they denied the AESA radar , but it is under US pressure on whom they depend for their military aid.

And there have been precedents where such obstructions have been bypassed. For example the Green Pine radars were blocked by the US , we went ahead and developed the Sword Fish LRTR in JV with Israel which was better than the Green Pine.

Try giving 300 million to Palestine and lets see what they can give to India in return except some kicks in moral high ground.

I am not a blind Israeli supporter but frankly the Israelis have much much more to offer to India than the Palestinians and it is high time we shed this duplicitous policy.
 
Whatever.

It is mutual give and take and not a one way street.

If it was merely on the issue of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem endorsement, then it is all very childish. They could have compromised and endorsed the statement to be 'somewhere in a strife torn zone'!:yahoo:
 
Pay money and try getting the Raptor from the US. Everything cant be got for money.

Yes they denied the AESA radar , but it is under US pressure on whom they depend for their military aid.

And there have been precedents where such obstructions have been bypassed. For example the Green Pine radars were blocked by the US , we went ahead and developed the Sword Fish LRTR in JV with Israel which was better than the Green Pine.

Try giving 300 million to Palestine and lets see what they can give to India in return except some kicks in moral high ground.

I am not a blind Israeli supporter but frankly the Israelis have much much more to offer to India than the Palestinians and it is high time we shed this duplicitous policy.

nation policies won't just made on millitry gains ...policies has a globle focus and can't be hostage of just getting millitry equipments..
 
Israel's Deputy Chief of Mission in New Delhi, Yoed Magen, accused a senior official of Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) of behaving “more often as the representative of the Palestinians, rather than India” during a visit to Israel in August 2005.

WTF!!! What was wrong with them? Are we going the same way the savior of others? :devil:

Its not about Palestine or supporting them. India will always support an independent Palestine, not terrorism. But this has nothing to do with our strong relationship with Israel. India is now second largest export destination of Israel after US while India has most strong defence ties with them only second to Russia.
 
WTF!!! What was wrong with them? Are we going the same way the savior of others? :devil:

Its not about Palestine or supporting them. India will always support an independent Palestine, not terrorism. But this has nothing to do with our strong relationship with Israel. India is now second largest export destination of Israel after US while India has most strong defence ties with them only second to Russia.



We start supporting that, then consider the support an INdependent Kashmir will receive..??? We need to really think about ourselves and not religion. Politics based off religion and caste is never good....that's the military taking over is a more viable option. Maybe we need it to enact certain laws and procedures....the problem the military is not entirely free of tainted officers either.....
 
nation policies won't just made on millitry gains ...policies has a globle focus and can't be hostage of just getting millitry equipments..

Can u elaborate more specifically than one liners as to what gains we get from supporting Palestine other than moral high ground and how these gains are more important to India's global aspirations than supporting Israel ?

I understand that independent Palestine is a must, I support that too , but cost-benefit analysis tell that Israel is much more important to India than Palestine. No ?
 
Our position on palestine is known to Israel. No need to dilute that. We are buying hardware from them, and paying for that.
Israel gains from India's friendship too, it works both ways.
 
Don't see a point in the behaviour of MEA officials. Why go to Israel if you have issues about everything? Supporting the Palestinians is fine & I endorse that but making yourselves out into pompous a$$es is not the way to do that. Having said that, I think it was early days of the UPA's first term after a long exile(the first couple of years qualify as that) and dinosaurs like Natwar Singh and Mani Shankar Aiyar were roaming the corridors and Manmohan Singh still did not control foreign policy. A lot of water has flown down since then. I doubt that the Indian government behaves like that now.
 
Can u elaborate more specifically than one liners as to what gains we get from supporting Palestine other than moral high ground and how these gains are more important to India's global aspirations than supporting Israel ?

I understand that independent Palestine is a must, I support that too , but cost-benefit analysis tell that Israel is much more important to India than Palestine. No ?


Global ASpirations? Take a good hard look at world opinion of India....we want global aspirations but we cannot take care of our backyard. We support an INdependent Palestine, then whats is going to stop others from declaring an Independent Kashmir. The BBC and other Muslim countries always support Kashmir over us!!! THese "forces" are ahead in making the KAshmir issue one sided. We need to pick a side....this playing both sides of the line will backfire....Sure it means a lot in a global view but what do you think countries in the world really think of us. We cannot formulate a decision wholeheartedly without causing anguish to others but that is politics. Walking a thin line is not poetics it is just confusion on our part because we make a rational decision.
 
Global ASpirations? Take a good hard look at world opinion of India....we want global aspirations but we cannot take care of our backyard. We support an INdependent Palestine, then whats is going to stop others from declaring an Independent Kashmir. The BBC and other Muslim countries always support Kashmir over us!!! THese "forces" are ahead in making the KAshmir issue one sided. We need to pick a side....this playing both sides of the line will backfire....Sure it means a lot in a global view but what do you think countries in the world really think of us. We cannot formulate a decision wholeheartedly without causing anguish to others but that is politics. Walking a thin line is not poetics it is just confusion on our part because we make a rational decision.

Err... even the Israelis don't claim Palestinians as their fellow countrymen. Don't see any merit in your comparison with Kashmir.
 
Don't see a point in the behaviour of MEA officials. Why go to Israel if you have issues about everything? Supporting the Palestinians is fine & I endorse that but making yourselves out into pompous a$$es is not the way to do that. Having said that, I think it was early days of the UPA's first term after a long exile(the first couple of years qualify as that) and dinosaurs like Natwar Singh and Mani Shankar Aiyar were roaming the corridors and Manmohan Singh still did not control foreign policy. A lot of water has flown down since then. I doubt that the Indian government behaves like that now.

Pro-U.S. tilt in Cabinet shuffle

Maybe this shuffle is in relation to this.:rolleyes:
 
We start supporting that, then consider the support an INdependent Kashmir will receive..??? We need to really think about ourselves and not religion. Politics based off religion and caste is never good....that's the military taking over is a more viable option. Maybe we need it to enact certain laws and procedures....the problem the military is not entirely free of tainted officers either.....

First comparing Kashmir with Israel-Palestine is ridiculous. Also your view about Muslims and Muslim countries is not true. What do you mean by 'we'? USA?
 

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