Massive PL-17 Air-To-Air Missile Seen On Chinese J-16 Fighters, China Reveals ‘World’s Longest Range Air-To-Air Missile’

[beijingwalker]

Its been answered in post number 5.

I want to know can these missiles be carried by J10C or are they only for Flankers?

对于PL-17的长度和重量，歼20、歼16和歼10C只能用外部重挂架来挂载。这样歼20可以挂载4枚，歼10C也可以挂4枚，而歼11可挂6枚，歼16最多可挂7枚。

J10C can only carry 4 of them while J16 can carry 7.

 

[beijingwalker]

China's Next-Gen Long Range Air-To-Air Missile | Perfect of Pakistan Air Force? |​

 

[Dalit]

China's Next-Gen Long Range Air-To-Air Missile | Perfect of Pakistan Air Force? |​

The Indians are very quiet on this development.

 

[MajesticPug]

The Indians are very quiet on this development.

Modi is busy suppressing Muslims in India and planning assassinations of minorities overseas.

 

[untitled]

Is J-10s radar powerful enough to handle this missile?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Its been answered in post number 5.

I want to know can these missiles be carried by J10C or are they only for Flankers?

It's too big for j10

Is J-10s radar powerful enough to handle this missile?

Yes but PL 17 is too big for J10C

 

[JX-1]

China's Next-Gen Long Range Air-To-Air Missile | Perfect of Pakistan Air Force? |​

The real question is, will China. who doesn't trust Pakistan with the PLAAF version of PL-15, sell the PL-17 to Pakistan?

It's too big for j10


Yes but PL 17 is too big for J10C

对于PL-17的长度和重量，歼20、歼16和歼10C只能用外部重挂架来挂载。这样歼20可以挂载4枚，歼10C也可以挂4枚，而歼11可挂6枚，歼16最多可挂7枚。

It can carry 4 missiles

 

[White and Green with M/S]

对于PL-17的长度和重量，歼20、歼16和歼10C只能用外部重挂架来挂载。这样歼20可以挂载4枚，歼10C也可以挂4枚，而歼11可挂6枚，歼16最多可挂7枚。

It can carry 4 missiles

Doesn't mention that PL 17 carried by J10C but this mention only j20 and j16 can carry PL 17

 

[beijingwalker]

Doesn't mention that PL 17 carried by J10C but this mention only j20 and j16 can carry PL 17

，歼10C也可以挂4枚，

J10C can carry 4

 

[untitled]

Yes but PL 17 is too big for J1

Is it even too big for a shoulder launched version?

 

[DF41]

China Reveals ‘World’s Longest Air-To-Air Missile’; PL-17 Missile Spotted On PLAAF’s J-16 Fighter Jet​

December 4, 2023

China has reportedly revealed its longest-range air-to-air missile (AAM), the PL-17, on a J-16 fighter, putting to rest speculations about what the missile looks like after its existence began to be noted a few years ago.

Longer than the PL-15 AAM with a reach of around 300 kilometers as per open source literature, the PL-17 has been said to have a range of 400 km, making it one of the farthest-reaching AAMs in the world, at least particularly greater than any known AAM in the US inventory, of Chinese claims are to be believed.

The existence of the PL-15 BVR AAM alone spurred the AIM-260 project in 2017, currently under development by Lockheed Martin. However, the PL-17 arms the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) and People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) fighters with a tremendous tactical advantage, consistent with its anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) doctrine.

An image claimed to be taken off official state-run military publicity material was shared on social media by leading handles discussing Chinese military issues.

It showed a bottom image of four J-16s flying overhead with a massive loadout of AAMs, which interestingly comprised nearly all AAMs in the Chinese inventory. While the missile has been verified to be the PL-17, it is not clear if the picture was taken during a routine training sortie, a larger combined arms or joint force training drill, or testing of the missile itself.

Via: Twitter

This also raises the question about the stage of induction the PL-17 itself is in – whether limited series production for further development and technical tweaks or full induction following all possible tests and subsystems trials or system integration trials.

Reports from China claim the missile entered service in November 2022. However, an information and propaganda warfare motive behind the release of the image cannot be denied either.

Four J-16sin flight, with the PL-17 under the left wing of the two jets on the left. Source: China Military Online/X

What Does The Image Show​

Of the four J-16s, two on the left have the bigger loadout, with each one of them carrying the same payload in the exact placement.

Chinese military aviation specialist Andreas Rupprecht believes that the J-16s have four PL-15s, 4 PL-10s, one PL-12, and one PL-17. A close image helps identify the missiles and their locations on the under-fuselage carrier pylons.

The four PL-10s can be seen on the inner and outer pylon of each of the wings. The lone PL-12 is on the innermost pylon of the right wing. The four PL-15s are slung on the belly, one each on a pylon under each of the two engines and two placed behind the other on the centerline belly. Meanwhile, the PL-17 is on the innermost pylon of the left wing.

Reports quoted a caption attached to the publicity photo: “Fighter jets attached to an aviation brigade of the PLA Air Force fly in formation during the real-combat training on November 25, 2023.” It suggests that the missile has undergone live fire tests, and the PLAAF unit is practicing total air dominance mission sets aimed at tackling large enemy formations.

PL-17’s Capabilities​

Planes flying with BVRs usually also coordinate with airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft for guidance and possibly mid-course updates for the missile itself – assuming the PL-17 has such a feature. But it is also not conceivable for friendly assets like AEW, other fighter aircraft, satellites or even ground-based radars to not be involved at such long ranges.

Chinese designers have to have envisaged the missile carrying a data link, possibly a two-way high-bandwidth terminal. A November 2022 report in The Diplomat said the PL-17 has an “advertised range” of 400 km.

But the J-16s in the exercise can certainly be assumed to be flying with AEW and other support aircraft given the type of mission profile. The formation is also interesting, where all four jets are of the same make, where the two other J-16s are lightly armed, suggesting the PL-17 carrying J-16s are acting as ‘missile trucks.’

Close-up of one of the J-16s
The idea behind having very long-range BVRs is to take out vulnerable support assets, like refueling tankers and enemy AEW aircraft, to degrade his fighting capability.

EurAsian Times had analyzed this being a likely role envisaged for the J-20, where using its stealth and on-board electronic warfare (EW) capability, the fighter would slip through fighter screens and shoot down these larger undefeated aircraft.

China Reveals 'World's Longest Air-To-Air Missile'; PL-17 Missile Spotted On PLAAF's J-16 Fighter Jet

China has reportedly revealed its longest-range air-to-air missile (AAM), the PL-17, on a J-16 fighter, putting to rest speculations about what the missile looks like after its existence began to be noted a few years ago. Longer than the PL-15 AAM with a reach of around 300 kilometers as per...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[Nomad40]

It's too big for j10


Yes but PL 17 is too big for J10C

Doesn't mention that PL 17 carried by J10C but this mention only j20 and j16 can carry PL 17

Alright now, could you tell me why are you in a position to make this claim? Source of your claim? what is too big?

The PAF needs these missiles to ensure the airspace up to Delhi is off-limit to the IAF....

Cry Hindutva cry...

Such weapons serve no real tactical purpose for the PAF but are strictly nice to have.

It will be a strategic advantage for the PAF in very specific terms.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Alright now, could you tell me why are you in a position to make this claim? Source of your claim? what is too big?

Its a 20 foot long missile and super-heavy in class (300+ kg) in weight if J10C can carry it it will be fewer in numbers and also J10C can't target enemy AWACS/tankers/ISR aircraft in its extreme radar range (350-400 km) away

 

[Nomad40]

Its a 20 foot long missile and super-heavy in class (300+ kg) in weight if J10C can carry it it will be fewer in numbers and also J10C can't target enemy AWACS/tankers/ISR aircraft in its extreme radar range (350-400 km) away

WOW - false information and made-up facts.

Anyhow I suggest finding a hobby rather than doing this.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

WOW - false information and made-up facts.

Anyhow I suggest finding a hobby rather than doing this.

What false information I gave to you and what I made facts by myself dude?