Man says Turkish police tortured him for saying 'Kurdistan

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Man says Turkish police tortured him for saying 'Kurdistan'

Rawa Barwari |
7 hours ago

Hakan Aydemir says he was tortured in Turkish policy detention for insisting on replying "Kurdistan" whenever they asked him where Van was, Dec. 26, 2018. (Photo: Mezopotamya)

 

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Man says Turkish police tortured him for saying 'Kurdistan'

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Hakan Aydemir says he was tortured in Turkish policy detention for insisting on replying "Kurdistan" whenever they asked him where Van was, Dec. 26, 2018. (Photo: Mezopotamya)

very sad .

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Maybe in future he should give the name of the country he is actually from instead of a place that isn't a country repeatedly clearly just to piss off the authorities...

 

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Man says Turkish police tortured him for saying 'Kurdistan'

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Hakan Aydemir says he was tortured in Turkish policy detention for insisting on replying "Kurdistan" whenever they asked him where Van was, Dec. 26, 2018. (Photo: Mezopotamya)

This is just brutal.

Maybe in future he should give the name of the country he is actually from instead of a place that isn't a country repeatedly clearly just to piss off the authorities...

This does not look like a police whacking. The marks on his back look like systematic torture.

Cheers, Doc

 

[055_destroyer]

Maybe in future he should give the name of the country he is actually from instead of a place that isn't a country repeatedly clearly just to piss off the authorities...

But does that warrant a beating of this state?

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

But does that warrant a beating of this state?

Of course not, but clearly he was being a total moron by replying "Kurdistan" to the police sarcastically and repeatedly...

 

[padamchen]

Maybe in future he should give the name of the country he is actually from instead of a place that isn't a country repeatedly clearly just to piss off the authorities...

Do Iranians in general support this ?

Are Iran and Turkey aligned on this ?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Do Iranians in general support this ?

Are Iran and Turkey aligned on this ?

Iran and Turkey are both opposed to Kurdish statehood in general, but Iranian Kurds cannot be compared with Turkish Kurds.

Iranian Kurds in general are more patriotic and 'Iranian' and of all of the Kurds (Turk/Iraqi/Syrian/Iranian) they are generally the least pro-independence.

They still face some discrimination, but overall they are very accepted in Iranian society.

 

[padamchen]

Iran and Turkey are both opposed to Kurdish statehood in general, but Iranian Kurds cannot be compared with Turkish Kurds.

Iranian Kurds in general are more patriotic and 'Iranian' and of all of the Kurds (Turk/Iraqi/Syrian/Iranian) they are generally the least pro-independence.

They still face some discrimination, but overall they are very accepted in Iranian society.

That is good to know. They are your ancestral cousins, racially. The Turks I can understand.

Why should Iran (or Turkey) care about what Kurds in Iraq or Syria do or fight for?

That is not your territory.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

That is good to know. They are your ancestral cousins, racially. The Turks I can understand.

Why should Iran (or Turkey) care about what Kurds in Iraq or Syria do or fight for?

That is not your territory.

Cheers, Doc

Iran was actually the first country to come to the aid of the Iraqi Kurds when ISIS was spreading through Iraq, Iran supplied vital tanks and other arms that helped the Iraqi Kurds fight ISIS.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...urds-with-weapons-to-battle-the-islamic-state

Iran supports the Syrian Government and the Kurds in Syria have worked with Israel and the US against their country (Syria), of course now the US is abandoning them the Kurds will have to run to the Government for protection against Turkey, but Iran doesn't mind about the Kurds in Syria as long as the Government is secure and the US leaves the region.

There are maybe 10 million Kurds in Iran, there are some fringe terrorist militant groups but overall people have no problems with them at all (I have many Kurdish friends - lol).

 

[padamchen]

Iran was actually the first country to come to the aid of the Iraqi Kurds when ISIS was spreading through Iraq, Iran supplied vital tanks and other arms that helped the Iraqi Kurds fight ISIS.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...urds-with-weapons-to-battle-the-islamic-state

Iran supports the Syrian Government and the Kurds in Syria have worked with Israel and the US against their country (Syria), of course now the US is abandoning them the Kurds will have to run to the Government for protection against Turkey, but Iran doesn't mind about the Kurds in Syria as long as the Government is secure and the US leaves the region.

There are maybe 10 million Kurds in Iran, there are some fringe terrorist militant groups but overall people have no problems with them at all (I have many Kurdish friends - lol).

Is there a fundamental difference between Kurds in Syria and Kurds in Iraq, for Iran's different stance towards both?

Or does the difference stem from who they are fighting?

I'm asking more at a religious than a political level. Assuming ethnically they would all be the same (including yours and the Turks) with obvious mixing with the majority surrounding ethnic populace.

I've been reading about them and understand that they are not all Muslim and even among the Muslims they are not all Sunni.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He deserved it. Separatism and support for terrorism is not acceptable.

If he is not part of PKK, he should stay silent and just accept the views of his fellow Kurds in Turkey.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Is there a fundamental difference between Kurds in Syria and Kurds in Iraq, for Iran's different stance towards both?

Or does the difference stem from who they are fighting?

I'm asking more at a religious than a political level. Assuming ethnically they would all be the same (including yours and the Turks) with obvious mixing with the majority surrounding ethnic populace.

I've been reading about them and understand that they are not all Muslim and even among the Muslims they are not all Sunni.

Cheers, Doc

I don't think there is a big difference in terms of how Iran views them, Iran doesn't want either of them to get a state (hence they supported the Iraqi army's crackdown on the Iraqi Kurds after their referendum recently) but has more use for the Iraqi Kurds as a buffer against ISIS (but doesn't like that Iranian Kurdish militants can get safe haven in Iraqi Kurdistan because the border is very mountainous and hard to police) whereas the Syrian Kurds are more aligned with the US/Israel. But even the Syrian Kurds are now moving closer to the Syrian Government again (out of necessity admittedly).

I think each group of Kurds is shaped by the country/society they are in, each one typically wants autonomy for their own region first before they think about a 'united' kurdistan of all parts. but i'm not an expert on kurdish issues, maybe some others can tell you more.

 

[nahtanbob]

Iran and Turkey are both opposed to Kurdish statehood in general, but Iranian Kurds cannot be compared with Turkish Kurds.

Iranian Kurds in general are more patriotic and 'Iranian' and of all of the Kurds (Turk/Iraqi/Syrian/Iranian) they are generally the least pro-independence.

They still face some discrimination, but overall they are very accepted in Iranian society.

Does it help the Kurds that Iran is more multi-ethnic (Persian/Azeris/Turkmens/Baloch/Arab) than Iraq (Arab) or Turkey (primarily Turkish) or Syria (Sunni Arab) ?

 

[padamchen]

I don't think there is a big difference in terms of how Iran views them, Iran doesn't want either of them to get a state (hence they supported the Iraqi army's crackdown on the Iraqi Kurds after their referendum recently) but has more use for the Iraqi Kurds as a buffer against ISIS (but doesn't like that Iranian Kurdish militants can get safe haven in Iraqi Kurdistan because the border is very mountainous and hard to police) whereas the Syrian Kurds are more aligned with the US/Israel. But even the Syrian Kurds are now moving closer to the Syrian Government again (out of necessity admittedly).

I think each group of Kurds is shaped by the country/society they are in, each one typically wants autonomy for their own region first before they think about a 'united' kurdistan of all parts. but i'm not an expert on kurdish issues, maybe some others can tell you more.

I guess I'm also interested in the Iranian policy/doctrine of Welayat E Faqih (sp?).

We hear (and many of us obviously hope for) that the aim is for Iran to out-maneuver the Arabs out if the middle east, by spreading your sphere of influence (I'm not really talking about a physical Greater Iran entity here .... more influence) and unimpeded reach all the way to Jordan.

How does a once warring Sunni state in the middle work into those dynamics (assuming you are with the Iraqi state now, even minus Saddam).

Cheers, Doc