Majority Of Brits (Including A Third Of Remainers) Want Brexit Vote Respected

[Piotr]

Poll: Majority Of Brits (Including A Third Of Remainers) Want Brexit Vote Respected
Published 2 days ago on 12 September, 2019

By ratio of 2:1, voters think it’s ‘fundamentally undemocratic’ for some MPs to try and prevent Brexit

A new survey conducted by research experts ComRes, finds that the majority of British people want the Brexit vote to be respected and want the country to leave the EU without any more delays.

Despite calls for delaying and even canceling Brexit from both members of the Labour Party and the entirety of the Liberal Democrat party, the survey finds that a majority of British people categorically do not want that to happen.

More than half of British adults, 54 percent, believe the result of the 2016 referendum should be respected, and Brexit delivered, the poll found.

Only 25 percent disagreed, and 21 percent said they didn’t know.

Even among those who voted Remain in 2016, more than a third, 35 per cent, said they now wanted Brexit delivered.

Only 29 per cent of voters said they want the process further delayed in the hope of securing a deal with the EU.

The survey noted that By ratio of 2:1, voters think it’s ‘fundamentally undemocratic’ for some MPs to try and prevent Brexit.
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https://summit.news/2019/09/12/poll...hird-of-remainers-want-brexit-vote-respected/

 

[waz]

Of course, the whole 'people have changed their mind has always been utter rubbish put out by die hard EU fanatics".

 

[Piotr]

Of course, the whole 'people have changed their mind has always been utter rubbish put out by die hard EU fanatics".

According to poll conducted by Daily Mail in June, now more people in UK support brexit than before brexit referendum (source).

The problem is that some bureaucrats/politicians do not understand that they are merely servants of the People. It's the People that decide.

 

[UKBengali]

Of course, the whole 'people have changed their mind has always been utter rubbish put out by die hard EU fanatics".

It is one poll that asks a specific question. The actual question asked is important.

Think the best way forward is for some deal to be made and then a 3 question referendum:

1. Leave with deal negotiated with EU.
2. No, leave with no deal.
3. Remain.

 

[waz]

It is one poll that asks a specific question. The actual question asked is important.

Think the best way forward is for some deal to be made and then a 3 question referendum:

1. Leave with deal negotiated with EU.
2. No, leave with no deal.
3. Remain.

Nope no referendums, we are the clear majority, it was decided.
If anything it’s leave with deal or leave no deal.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

You are a Pole supporting Brexit? Like a turkey voting for Christmas.

 

[Piotr]

You are a Pole supporting Brexit? Like a turkey voting for Christmas.

I wish UK prosper after leaving the EU because maybe one day we will decide to leave the EU as well. Bear in mind that we already pay more money to the EU than we receive.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

I wish UK prosper after leaving the EU because maybe one day we will decide to leave the EU as well. Bear in mind that we already pay more money to the EU than we receive.

That is not true... Poland is the biggest net beneficiary of the EU's budget of all the EU member states!

"In 2017, Poland was the largest net beneficiary in the EU, receiving just under $10 billion (€8.1 billion) more than it paid in."

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-weighs-costs-of-punishing-poland/a-49640512

Official EU statistics:

"Breakdown of Poland’s finances with the EU in 2017:

• Total EU spending in Poland: € 11.921 billion
• Total EU spending as % of Polish gross national income (GNI): 2.67 %
• Total Polish contribution to the EU budget: € 3.048 billion"

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries/member-countries/poland_en

 

[Piotr]

That is not true... Poland is the biggest net beneficiary of the EU's budget of all the EU member states!

"In 2017, Poland was the largest net beneficiary in the EU, receiving just under $10 billion (€8.1 billion) more than it paid in."

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-weighs-costs-of-punishing-poland/a-49640512

Official EU statistics:

"Breakdown of Poland’s finances with the EU in 2017:

• Total EU spending in Poland: € 11.921 billion
• Total EU spending as % of Polish gross national income (GNI): 2.67 %
• Total Polish contribution to the EU budget: € 3.048 billion"

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries/member-countries/poland_en

Don't expect unelected bureaucrats from Brussels to admit that we pay more money than we receive. According to French economist Thomas Piketty we pay twice as much to the EU than we receive (source).

Also bear in mind that bureaucrats from Brussels are forcing a lot of laws on Poland, laws that generate additional costs for us. Also bureacracy related to EU spendings is generating a lot of costs.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

Don't expect unelected bureaucrats from Brussels to admit that we pay more money than we receive. According to French economist Thomas Piketty we pay twice as much to the EU than we receive (source).

Also bear in mind that bureaucrats from Brussels are forcing a lot of laws on Poland, laws that generate additional costs for us. Also bureacracy related to EU spendings is generating a lot of costs.

Random Polish link is not admissible to disprove official EU statistics.

Most of those laws also benefit Poland by creating groundwork to enable four freedoms, particularly the free movement of people which Polish people make benefit of more than most EU member states.

Poland gets the best deal of all and is the biggest beneficiary of all from the EU, yet its government acts like a mafia undermining democracy and the rule of law at every opportunity. Poland is lucky that fascist Orban likes PiS to block EU activating Article 7.

Poland is a beautiful country (I have personally visited many times) and I have nothing against it at all, only against fascist PiS and nationalistic attitude that ignores clear facts, such as the ones I presented to you.

 

[Piotr]

Random Polish link is not admissible to disprove official EU statistics.

Random EU statistics are not admissiable to disaprove fact that we pay more money than we receive.
Official EU statistics are calculated the way sutable for bureaucrats from Brussels. They does not take into account massive costs related to receiving founds from the EU. To get any money from the EU a lot of paperwork is required and it generates costs, but EU statistics does not take it into account. Money from the EU comes with a lot of strings attached. Another problem is where money from the EU goes to. Unfortunately mostly to unproductive things like entertainment halls, playgrounds etc some of which are hardly ever used. To make things worse EU funds increase level of debt of local governments, because local governments often borrow money to finish projects cofounded by the EU. So we pay a lot of money to the EU but we does not receive much benefit from founds from the EU.
Look at China. They did not "receive" money from the EU and look how much progress they had done.
In fact access to common EU market is the only benefit I see for Poland.

Most of those laws also benefit Poland by creating groundwork to enable four freedoms, particularly the free movement of people which Polish people make benefit of more than most EU member states.

Schengen Area is about free movement of people, not the EU.

Poland gets the best deal of all and is the biggest beneficiary of all from the EU...

Because of the EU sanctions against Russia many of our farmers lost access to Russian market. So let's not talk only about benefits from the EU.

... yet its government acts like a mafia undermining democracy and the rule of law at every opportunity. Poland is lucky that fascist Orban likes PiS to block EU activating Article 7.

It's some of EU bureaucrats that acts like mafia undermining democracy and the rule of law at every opportunity. They want to force illegal imigrants on us. If someone wants to settle in Poland there are legal ways to do it. No illegal imigrants should be allowed.

Poland is lucky that fascist Orban likes PiS to block EU activating Article 7.

You are talking about democracy yet you call Orban fascist. He is democratically elected prime minister of Hungary. Are Hungarians not allowed to decide who should be their prime minister ? Should unelected bureaucrats from Brussels decide who should be prime minister of Hungary ?

And last but not least is the EU some kind of prison ? Are countries not allowed to leave the EU ? People in the UK decided that they want to leave the EU and bureaucrats from Brussels should respect their choice, just like they should respect that vast majority of people in Poland does not want illegal imigrants.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

Random EU statistics are not admissiable to disaprove fact that we pay more money than we receive.
Official EU statistics are calculated the way sutable for bureaucrats from Brussels. They does not take into account massive costs related to receiving founds from the EU. To get any money from the EU a lot of paperwork is required and it generates costs, but EU statistics does not take it into account. Money from the EU comes with a lot of strings attached. Another problem is where money from the EU goes to. Unfortunately mostly to unproductive things like entertainment halls, playgrounds etc some of which are hardly ever used. To make things worse EU funds increase level of debt of local governments, because local governments often borrow money to finish projects cofounded by the EU. So we pay a lot of money to the EU but we does not receive much benefit from founds from the EU.
Look at China. They did not "receive" money from the EU and look how much progress they had done.
In fact access to common EU market is the only benefit I see for Poland.

To compare China with Poland is nonsense. You are not following logic or facts.

"Between the 2004 EU enlargement and 2017, gross national income (GNI) at constant prices grew by 23% in Hungary, 37% in the Czech Republic, 62% in Poland"

https://bruegel.org/2018/02/what-is-the-financial-balance-of-eu-membership-for-central-europe/

Thomas Piketty did not claim what you are saying: https://bruegel.org/2018/02/what-is-the-financial-balance-of-eu-membership-for-central-europe/

Schengen Area is about free movement of people, not the EU.

UK never joined Schengen but always accepted free movement, so you are wrong.

Why would the UK be negotiating with the EU about free movement of people if it didn't even apply now? See the "indivisibility" of four freedoms: https://www.ft.com/content/49dc02dc-c637-11e7-a1d2-6786f39ef675

Because of the EU sanctions against Russia many of our farmers lost access to Russian market. So let's not talk only about benefits from the EU.

OK if you think being part of EU has more costs than benefits for Poland (hilarious) then you are welcome to leave. Why don't you leave if it is so bad for you?

It's some of EU bureaucrats that acts like mafia undermining democracy and the rule of law at every opportunity. They want to force illegal imigrants on us. If someone wants to settle in Poland there are legal ways to do it. No illegal imigrants should be allowed.

If you deny PiS anti-democratic "reforms" and actions then you only insult your own intelligence.

It is very reasonable for the EU members to share the burden of refugees, but that is not relevant here.

You are talking about democracy yet you call Orban fascist. He is democratically elected prime minister of Hungary. Are Hungarians not allowed to decide who should be their prime minister ? Should unelected bureaucrats from Brussels decide who should be prime minister of Hungary ?

Fascists can be elected democratically, you should know about that.

Choose whatever leader you want, but you don't have a right to breach EU rules if you want to continue benefiting from EU membership rights. Simple.

And last but not least is the EU some kind of prison ? Are countries not allowed to leave the EU ? People in the UK decided that they want to leave the EU and bureaucrats from Brussels should respect their choice, just like they should respect that vast majority of people in Poland does not want illegal imigrants.

Of course the UK is allowed to leave, as any country is. But so far only one voted to leave, so it can't be that bad.

I voted to remain but the British people were manipulated by lying politicians and media which created a scapegoat for all problems in the form of immigrants - including Polish immigrants. I know you don't like statistics, but can you guess what happened to number of hate crimes against Polish immigrants after the Brexit vote?

But low educated people were manipulated to vote to leave the EU and we will leave, I don't object to this.

 

[UKBengali]

Nope no referendums, we are the clear majority, it was decided.
If anything it’s leave with deal or leave no deal.

Let us put it to the people now that they have a better idea of what Brexit with no deal means.

It will mean a recession with hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs.
It will mean massive disruption to trade and travel to the EU.
Not many people that voted to leave wanted this.

If people really want Brexit with no deal let them confirm this now the facts are clear.

 

[waz]

Let us put it to the people now that they have a better idea of what Brexit with no deal means.

It will mean a recession with hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs.
It will mean massive disruption to trade and travel to the EU.
Not many people that voted to leave wanted this.

If people really want Brexit with no deal let them confirm this now the facts are clear.

That's fine, I'd rather leave with a deal. No deal preps are poor and a nuclear option.

 

[jamal18]

Not a fan of leaving the EU, but the vote is the vote. You can't put it to the vote, and not respect the outcome.

All the figures show an economic disaster if we leave with no deal.