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Macedonia will change its name. Here's why it matters
Elinda Labropoulou - CNN - 25.1.2019

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Greece's Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras celebrates after the Prespa Agreement is ratified in the Greek Parliament on Friday.

(CNN) - In what may be the most significant diplomatic step in the Balkans since the end of the Bosnian war, a bitter, decades-long bilateral dispute has been put to rest in Europe Friday. After 27 years of mutual mistrust, a name deal has been sealed between Athens and Skopje.

Under the agreement, Greece's neighbor will stop using the name "Republic of Macedonia," a name it chose for itself when it declared independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. It will instead call itself "Republic of North Macedonia." Following months of street protests and heated debate in both countries, the name deal has overcome the last of a number of hurdles in Athens Friday, with 153 votes in support in the 300-seat parliament.

The change is significant because Greece, a member of both NATO and the European Union, has been blocking Skopje's membership to NATO and the beginning of accession talks with the EU until the name dispute is resolved. Under the deal, Greece will lift its objections paving the way for its neighbor's integration.

How we got here

Both countries have been under pressure to resolve the dispute, as Western nations see the further integration of Balkan countries into the EU and NATO as a way of improving the region's stability. The move will perhaps even serve as a compromise that can ease other regional disputes. But Moscow openly opposes Macedonia's aspirations, having long been a major player in the region.

The agreement, first ratified in Skopje, follows the defeat of Macedonia's nationalist conservatives by the social democrats. It has significantly improved the climate between the two neighboring countries after decades of strong nationalist rhetoric on both sides.
Since the early 1990s, maps have widely circulated in Greece with the landlocked state's borders extending to the port city of Thessaloniki, Greek Macedonia's capital, funneling territorial fears. A giant statue of the ancient Macedonian King Alexander the Great erected in Skopje's central square fueled further claims of cultural plunder.

In summer 2018, the easing of relations led to a joint declaration by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and his Macedonian counterpart Zoran Zaev that the name dispute was finally over. In a ceremony high in symbolism, held by Lake Prespa where the borders of Greece, Albania and Macedonia meet, the two men signed the landmark agreement, known as the Prespa accord.

Deal seen as PM's legacy project

The deal has been faced with widespread criticism in both countries in the steps leading to its ratification. A referendum in Skopje saw low turnout and the Greek government has survived two no confidence votes in seven months and the loss of its junior coalition partner over the deal.

Concerns revolve around identity and how it may affect future security. Opponents say the addition of the word "North" may help to define geographical terms but it does nothing to separate nationality and language, which could create a basis for minority issues and territorial claims.

With latest polls showing that more than six in 10 Greeks oppose the deal, demonstrations have been held across the country in the buildup to Friday's vote. A protest rally in Athens Sunday attended by tens of thousands was marred by violence.

The Greek Prime Minister has expended political capital to push the deal describing it as a "patriotic duty." He has also acknowledged that the deal would come "with a political cost." His party is trailing 10% behind the main opposition, a strong opponent of the deal. Main opposition leader Kyriakos Mitsotakis, of the New Democracy party, speaking in parliament ahead of Friday's vote, described a ratification of the agreement as "a national mistake that is an affront to truth and history."

Shortly after the deal was ratified, Tspiras said in a tweet: "Today we are writing a new page in the Balkans. Nationalist hatreds, disputes and conflicts give their place to friendship, peace and co-operation."

His Macedonian counterpart shared the same positive outlook in a congratulatory tweet to the Greek PM.


European leaders also took to social media to celebrate the agreement. European Council President Donald Tusk praised Tspiras and Zaev for their courage in finding a middle ground while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg welcomed the confirmation of the Prespa accord as "an important contribution to the stability and prosperity of the whole region."

"They had imagination, they took the risk, they were ready to sacrifice their own interests for the greater good," Tusk wrote on his official Twitter account.


Polls indicate Tsipras is set to lose an election that will take place this year. The 44-year-old politician took office in 2015 as an economic populist in the height of Greece's financial crisis, promising to rewrite the terms of Greece's bailout with grand fanfare but without great success. Many Greeks see the name deal as Tsipras' legacy project aimed at securing his future in politics and strengthening his image beyond Greek borders.
 
I'm glad a solution was finally reached, but honestly, Greece overreacted to something so basic.

I mean, can you imagine if Pakistan did the same to India for naming itself after our river (the Indus)? Greece only got away with it because FYROM is weak.
 
I'm glad a solution was finally reached, but honestly, Greece overreacted to something so basic.

I mean, can you imagine if Pakistan did the same to India for naming itself after our river (the Indus)? Greece only got away with it because FYROM is weak.

Dude Greeks are some of the most butthurt people on the planet still pissed at Turks,Albanians, and Macedonians
 
One thing is for sure, the Albanian minority of Macedonia will benefit the most from this agreement. With regards to Greece, I suppose that the Northern Macedonians will play the 'Orthodox brotherhood' card once the dust has settled for good and both nations deepen their relationship in the future.

Now that the politicians in Skopje can't blame Greece for every mistake and bad governing choices they have made in the past, the future will be interesting. I just hope that Skopje doesn't turn to the Albanians making them a new scapegoat for all the mismanagement that is going on in the country.

If so, solving the name dispute could turn into an ugly situation in North Macedonia itself. After all, the Albanian community is overwhelmingly supporting this solution for a reason while ethnic Macedonians are more sceptical.
 
One thing is for sure, the Albanian minority of Macedonia will benefit the most from this agreement. With regards to Greece, I suppose that the Northern Macedonians will play the 'Orthodox brotherhood' card once the dust has settled for good and both nations deepen their relationship in the future.

Now that the politicians in Skopje can't blame Greece for every mistake and bad governing choices they have made in the past, the future will be interesting. I just hope that Skopje doesn't turn to the Albanians making them a new scapegoat for all the mismanagement that is going on in the country.

If so, solving the name dispute could turn into an ugly situation in North Macedonia itself. After all, the Albanian community is overwhelmingly supporting this solution for a reason while ethnic Macedonians are more sceptical.

another 1990s lol
 
How would you consider the option if you could convince them to merge with you as your province?

Not through force, maybe through negotiations.

Our neighbors have their own national identity. They have been fighting for it for decades, why would they want to merge with another country? Especially since the relationship would de facto be pretty skewed (see demographics, economy etc).

If the answer is that they would want to do this for their own security, isn't it more prudent to think that with the dispute ending and them entering NATO and starting the process of joining the EU most security concerns would/will be allayed?
 
I thought Slavs are pretty tight with Greeks given the whole "orthodox" thing in religion.
To be neighbors is one thing, and living in one state is another. It is unlikely that Greeks will want to make another 2 state languages. And Albanians are not Christians mostly.
 
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To be neighbors is one thing, and living in one state is another. It is unlikely that Greeks will want to make another 2 state languages. And Albanians are not Christians mostly.

I see. The European tolerance and co-existence kind of comes out in the open when they have to form a tiny nation for even a crease of a difference between two sets of people.

Maybe our Greek friend can actually highlight on how to resolve this whole Greek Macedonia vs FYROM problem. Renaming alone won't be a permanent solution, particularly when there are Greek politicians who resent them.
 
Maybe our Greek friend can actually highlight on how to resolve this whole Greek Macedonia vs FYROM problem. Renaming alone won't be a permanent solution, particularly when there are Greek politicians who resent them.

There are no permanent solutions, this is the nature of our world. Time. logic and institutional cooperation though can and do temper and soothe both grief and plight, outstanding or imaginary. History is a good champion of this assertion.

This was - btw - the first thing I was asked when I joined this forum..:lol:
 
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I see. The European tolerance and co-existence kind of comes out in the open when they have to form a tiny nation for even a crease of a difference between two sets of people.
Even if Greece were as rich as Germany and as powerful as Russia it would be not enough for neighboring countries to want to become part of it. You need some universal idea for Slavic or Albanian to become 100% legitimate citizens, as Greeks. For example - idea of Neo-Byzantium (Roman) Commonwealth. Slavic, Albanian and Greeks all were Byzantium (Roman) citizens.
 
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There are no permanent solutions, this is the nature of our world. Time. logic and institutional cooperation though can and do temper and soothe both grief and plight, outstanding or imaginary. History is a good champion of this assertion.

This was - btw - the first thing I was asked when I joined this forum..:lol:

Why does @vostok think that the North Macedonians will now join Greece?
 

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