Lt General Shahid Aziz ex DG ISI interview about 9/11 attacks and War On Terror.

[YeBeWarned]

Thank God he is Retired, No offense but he need Psychiatric help ..he should be investigated and put on house arrest with his calls and moved under monitored 24/7

 

[niaz]

@I.R.A watch these interviews shared on this thread......and now keep in mind what i told u in the other thread.......Those were the solutions these r the threats.

@on topic
Thats why Lt Gen Shahid Aziz rebelled against Musharaf's 'modernization' Musharaf being a non naturalized citizen of Pakistan as he was born in Dehli...wasnt intune with those facts i told u in other thread and nor was aware of tackling their solutions....But over time even he also learned and backstabbed Americans and their modernization drive of Pakistan(free private media boom, economic liberalization and all)

Honourable Sir,

I object to the use of 'non-naturalized Pakistani' for Musharraf. For the record, in addition to Musharraf, the following Pakistani leaders were born in what is now India.

Liaqat Ali Khan, born on October 1, 1895, Karnal.

Chaudhry Mohammed Ali. Born on July 1905, Jalandhar.

I.I. Chundrigar. Born in 1897 , Ahmedabad,Gujarat

Zia ul Haq. Born August 1924, Jalandhar.


None of these was naturalised because until 1951 borders at Wagah & Khokhrapar were open and Muslims of British India had the choice to opt for Pakistan or remaining in India, thus law did not require ‘Naturalization’ for the emigres before that date.

I regret to say that after 71years of independence, the 'ethni-cism' is still very much alive and people still doubt ‘Pakistani-ness’ of those born outside Punjab. When would we stop this nonsense and unite as Pakistanis?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Honourable Sir,

I object to the use of 'non-naturalized Pakistani' for Musharraf. For the record, in addition to Musharraf, the following Pakistani leaders were born in what is now India.

Liaqat Ali Khan, born on October 1, 1895, Karnal.

Chaudhry Mohammed Ali. Born on July 1905, Jalandhar.

I.I. Chundrigar. Born in 1897 , Ahmedabad,Gujarat

Zia ul Haq. Born August 1924, Jalandhar.


None of these was naturalised because until 1951 borders at Wagah & Khokhrapar were open and Muslims of British India had the choice to opt for Pakistan or remaining in India, thus law did not require ‘Naturalization’ for the emigres before that date.

I regret to say that after 71years of independence, the 'ethni-cism' is still very much alive and people still doubt ‘Pakistani-ness’ of those born outside Punjab. When would we stop this nonsense and unite as Pakistanis?

kindly first go and read abt those facts i mentioned to IRA in the other thread......im sure even yr not aware of those facts......Musharaf wasnt coming from some learned family nor had any background like that, which could thoroughly understand the dynamics of the area today called Pakistan and specifically of her indigenous people who make the bulk of her population. Afterall, the area of Pakistan was only invaded 98 years prior of 1947 by British. hum bache nahi hain buzurgo. PTM and MQM k enough to discard yr argument in my eyes.

And im not a punjabi, im an Abbasi from AJK.....i belong to a race which had already ruled even for 200 years along with the 500 years of our khilafat on an Empire which covered Spain to the West and Pakistan's balochistan to the East as well as Sudan in Africa to the south and today's Southern Russian areas to the north, thats 64000 sq km.

And im a relative of the Mujahid e Awal of the 1947 Kashmiri uprising's Hero and founder Sardar Qayyum Khan Abbasi, because of whom G-B and AJK were liberated and pledge allegiance to Pakistan!

Buzurgo! muft ki to jannat bhi nai milti, ye to phir bhi Pakistan ki riyasat ha! there is no such thing as free launch. These doubts will go away when u will just keep yr heads down and properly naturalize yourselves into the social dynamic of Pakistan rather then propagating and influencing others from yr own hindustani ideologies and her dynamics, which were setup for the people who lived there not particularly in here where Muslims always dominated throughout history. Culturally, Socially as well as specially MENTALITY wise!

 

[Vortex]

Ex DG ISI sprouting conspiracy theories, why am I not surprised

What is conspiracy theory ?

 

[niaz]

What is conspiracy theory ?

For the record, even though Lt Gen Shahid Aziz had plum appointments such as DGMO & CGS, he was never DG ISI.

Here is an article by Hussain Haqqani (!!!) about Shahid Aziz. However one must remember that Mr Haqqani, ambassador to the US during Zardari era, is not a favourite of the establishment due to his involvement in the 'Memogate' affair. Hence Mr Hussain Haqqani's views must be taken with a pinch of salt.

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From key Pakistani general to ISIS terrorist ‘killed’ in Jihad, the chilling saga of Shahid Aziz
HUSAIN HAQQANI 27 May, 2018


An army cannot afford to allow so many ideologically motivated hardliners to rise to senior ranks and to freelance on behalf of their ideology after retirement.

It is very unusual for retired senior officers of a professional military to end up fighting alongside militants attacking soldiers they once commanded.

But the recently reported saga of retired Lt. General Shahid Aziz — whose 37-year service in the Pakistan army included postings as director-general military operations, chief of general staff from October 2001 to December 2003, and commander of the IV Corps in Lahore from December 2003 to October 2005 — points to the hazard of allowing ideology to supercede professionalism in a modern military.

After retiring from the military, Aziz was appointed chairman of the National Accountability Bureau, a post he left in May 2007. His heart, however, was in Jihad. General Pervez Musharraf, under whom Lt. General Aziz served in top positions, recently said in a television interview that he had learned about Aziz growing a long beard, going to Syria to fight alongside ISIS or some other Jihadi group, and being killed there. Other reports suggested that he had gone to Afghanistan several months ago “to compensate for what he had done in favour of US troops” and it was in Afghanistan that he died.

Aziz has not been heard from for quite some time and some members of his family have confirmed that he left the country around January-February 2016. Apparently, he just disappeared, leaving his mobile phone at home. The family kept receiving emails and SMS text messages informing them that he was alive and well. But for several months even these messages had stopped.

Reports suggest he had gone to Kunar in Afghanistan, across the border from Pakistan, and joined the forces of the Islamic State in Khurasan there. Subsequently, reports came that he had gone on to Syria and that he was either killed in US bombing in Jalalabad, Afghanistan or in Syria.

Recently, Aziz’s son denied the reports about his father’s death and recent activities. He told Voice of America (VOA) that his father was in Africa on a Tableegh (religious preaching) mission. According to the son, “Gen. Shahid Aziz lives a very private life” and “does not want public appearances or information regarding his travels/Tableegh.”

For the sake of Aziz’s family, one hopes that his son is right but all evidence suggests that his statement is meant to save face for the family as well as Pakistan’s army. Aziz was never a private person, as suggested by his son, and has always been very public about his religious and political stances.

Aziz’s acceptance of extremism
The retired general revealed his preference for an Islamist Pakistan in his 2013 book, Yeh Khamoshi Kahan Tak: Ek Sipahi ki Dastan-e-Ishq-o-Junoon (How Long This Silence: A Soldier’s Story of Passion and Madness). Aziz was not a marginal figure in the Pakistan military. He fought in Kashmir and was trained at the National Defence University. As major general, he headed the analysis wing of the ISI and as director-general military operations (DGMO) in 1999, he was involved with planning and executing the overthrow of Nawaz Sharif’s elected government.

In 2001, after 9/11, Aziz served as CGS, a position that often leads to ascent as army chief. His going off the reservation is not comparable to the occasional military officer embracing conspiracy theories or going somewhat batty –something unfortunately not unknown to most militaries.

In his book, Aziz speaks of the ‘eye of Dajjal’ (Antichrist) on the US dollar bill, which to him symbolizes ‘the grand conspiracy set in motion by the Freemasons and many powerful families in league with the American Neocons’. In his world view, all major events in the world were ‘in line with the Jewish conspiracy outlined in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’, notwithstanding the fact that the protocols have been proved to be a European anti-Semitic forgery. For him, ‘only the Quran stands in the way’ of the modern world’s ‘Satanic way of life’.

His desire to join ISIS to compensate for the wrong he committed by being part of Pakistan army’s cooperation with the United States was likely inspired by his belief that the army he served for 37 years had fallen into the ways of the devil.

Long history
There are other senior Pakistan army officers, too, who have crossed over from being sponsors of Jihadi activity as strategic action on behalf of a professional military to becoming true believers in extremist causes. The most prominent example is that of Lt Gen. Hamid Gul —another ideologue who was within reach of leading the world’s sixth largest army.

Gul had commanded two of Pakistan’s top strike formations and headed both Military Intelligence (MI) and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agencies. He publicly declared that he could not accept a state not based on Islam and saw nothing wrong in his reaching out to the Haqqani Network in Afghanistan and supporting the rise of the Taliban inside Pakistan.

Gul almost boasted about rigging the 1990 election while in uniform to oust the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) from government. He maintained that all his actions were aimed at protecting Pakistan from external and internal enemies even when he acted outside the chain of command or in violation of the country’s Constitution.

The long list of general officers combining conspiracy theories, Islamist ideology and the concept of Pakistan being permanently under threat includes former ISI chief Lt. General Javed Nasir, who bragged about violating international sanctions while arming Mujahideen in former Yugoslavia, and Major General Zaheerul Islam Abbasi, who was arrested while trying to orchestrate ‘an Islamic coup’ in 1995 to create a regime ‘based on Quran and Sunnah’.

Then there was Brigadier Amir Sultan Tarar, a Special Operations officer trained at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, United States, who earned fame as ‘Colonel Imam’ while fighting alongside Taliban that he had trained. ‘Colonel Imam’ refused to accept General Musharraf’s decision to side with the US after 9/11 and supported the Afghan Taliban publicly. The Taliban, however, were not sure of his loyalties. Brigadier Tarar was kidnapped by a splinter Jihadi group along with fellow former ISI officer, Squadron Leader Khalid Khawaja, British journalist Asad Qureshi, and Qureshi’s driver Rustam Khan in March 2010. Although Qureshi and his driver were released in September, Khawaja was killed within a month of the kidnapping and Brigadier Tarar was killed in January 2011 by Al-Qaeda affiliate Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Al-Alami.

The stories of these officers should ring alarm bells among the top echelons of Pakistan’s armed forces.

An army cannot afford to allow so many ideologically motivated hardliners to rise to senior ranks and to freelance on behalf of their ideology after retirement. From Hamid Gul to Shahid Aziz, some bright alums of the Pakistan Military Academy ended up siding with groups that have attacked and killed Pakistani soldiers. This is a travesty that must be studied and understood instead of being covered up.

The current COAS, General Qamar Bajwa, has publicly spoken of his desire to close the chapter on his institution’s embrace of extremist ideology. If that is to happen, it is imperative that Pakistan discuss openly the ideological distortions that led some of its retired generals to become fellow travellers of groups such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda. Course correction is not possible without recognizing what went wrong.

Husain Haqqani, director for South and Central Asia at the Hudson Institute in Washington DC, was Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States from 2008-11. His latest book is ‘Reimagining Pakistan.’

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https://theprint.in/opinion/from-ke...jihad-the-chilling-saga-of-shahid-aziz/63221/

 

[nahtanbob]

His arguments about media and a deliberate effort against Islam's social norms in Muslim world is very true and time has only been proving him correct.

Feminist/Atheist/Secularist are biggest enemies of Islamic culture within Islamic world. They want to act as agents of Western culture among ourselves. We all need to be alert and fight against this effort.

What are social norms in Islam that he is trying to protect ? Current western social norms is not the greatest example to emulate. But countries like japan, china, korea and even india are charting a middle way.

In my opinion there is no Islamic culture - pakistani, saudi, moroccan, indonesian are quite different except for the religion thing

 

[GHALIB]

That's not true, US have always slammed sanctions on Pakistan when army man lead Pakistan.
Infect, US has bee behind all conspiracies launched against army general rule.

US launched democracy campaign against Ayub.
US killed Zia ul Haq.
US and UK both sanctioned Pakistan, when Musharraf took over.

Gen Aziz was spot on when he said US will not leave Afghanistan.

US wants dictatorship, it is like single window system.

 

[VCheng]

Reports suggest he had gone to Kunar in Afghanistan, across the border from Pakistan, and joined the forces of the Islamic State in Khurasan there. Subsequently, reports came that he had gone on to Syria and that he was either killed in US bombing in Jalalabad, Afghanistan or in Syria.

Well, one must honor a soldier who dies for a cause he or she believes in fervently.

 

[EasyNow]

Well, one must honor a soldier who dies for a cause he or she believes in fervently.

No honour in being a defector, by all accounts, a traitor.

Whatever the truth of his views (complete lunacy in my opinion), his espousing them against the interests of his former colleagues is disgraceful.

 

[VCheng]

No honour in being a defector, by all accounts, a traitor.

Whatever the truth of his views (complete lunacy in my opinion), his espousing them against the interests of his former colleagues is disgraceful.

Terms like defector and traitor represent labels put on by others due to disagreements, that is all. A soldier willing to die for his convictions, no matter what, deserves recognition for his or her ultimate sacrifice.

 

[Arsalan]

Well, one must honor a soldier who dies for a cause he or she believes in fervently.

Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda???

 

[VCheng]

Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda???

A soldier wears a uniform and declares his allegiance. If those forces care to do so and declare themselves, my statement would apply.

 

[Arsalan]

A soldier wears a uniform and declares his allegiance. If those forces care to do so and declare themselves, my statement would apply.

I though the guy that was being discussed here also shed his uniform and joined that same lot!!
But i will admit, i have not read all the posts so may have missed something here.

 

[VCheng]

I though the guy that was being discussed here also shed his uniform and joined that same lot!!
But i will admit, i have not read all the posts so may have missed something here.

He retired. A retired soldier is still a soldier. He merely carried on doing what he was doing while in uniform while the world changed around him.

 

[Arsalan]

He retired. A retired soldier is still a soldier. He merely carried on doing what he was doing while in uniform while the world changed around him.

Bahi he retired and joined a group that you say do not deserve the same treatment as they do not wear uniform!! Will we have to ignore all his wrongs only because he once wore a uniform?