What's new

London attack: 130 imams condemn attackers and refuse to perform funeral prayer for them

Many of the British imams who support extremism are anti Pakistan they are more influenced by the new Ummah Chummah movement in western Muslim communities than the movements in their native countries
They are. That is nothing new. Ummah Chumma is favourite hobby inside Pakistan. Many imams in Pakistan are also against Pakistan and were against Pakistan's creation. Pakistan has a massive issue with Islamism and that has merely infected the Pakistani diaspora in UK. It also has infected the Pakistani diaspora in USA. I think you know about the Times Square bomber and the San Barnardino shootings. You also know about Mir Qazi.

With love from Pakistan to people US of A. > http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/2...o-27-times-during-gun-battle-with-police.html

1495776061776.jpg



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Qazi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Times_Square_car_bombing_attempt



The problem is within Pakistan. Everybody know this. Look at the scale of Islamic/Mullah terrorism inside Pakistan? Taliban even took parts of Swat over. High profile people like Governor Salman Taseer have been murdered. Shia's are targeted with impunity in Pakistan. So are Ahmadiyya. Minorities inside Pakistan are under seige by Islamic radicals. You even had mullahs taking over in middle Islamabad with the Lal Masjid. After all this I am surprised that you think there is no link from Pakistan to UK. Pakistan is now so famous for Islamic radicals trhat try to use your passport in any country on earth - even China and they will double check you. This is a fact.

The fundamental problem is clear as daylight and even apparent on PDF which should attract hardcore nationalists. Most Pakistanis and this is fact regard Islam as their primary identity with Pakistan coming way behind. In short they are Muslims first. This is in contrast with Turks, Iranians etc. That is why Pakistanis are so prone to becoming hijacked with Islamist causes. No strong secular identity.
 
Same thing here US national is US problem if you give nationality to a person what ever good or bad he does is your problem

The problem is within Pakistan. Everybody know this. Look at the scale of Islamic/Mullah terrorism inside Pakistan? Taliban even took parts of Swat over. High profile people like Governor Salman Taseer have been murdered. Shia's are targeted with impunity in Pakistan. So are Ahmadiyya. Minorities inside Pakistan are under seige by Islamic radicals. You even had mullahs taking over in middle Islamabad with the Lal Masjid. After all this I am surprised that you think there is no link from Pakistan to UK. Pakistan is now so famous for Islamic radicals trhat try to use your passport in any country on earth - even China and they will double check you. This is a fact.
I am not saying there is no link but what i am saying is new generation British jihadist are more influenced by Ghetto Mullahs than from the Mullahs from Pakistan
Shariah-the-only-solution-for-London1.jpg

The fundamental problem is clear as daylight and even apparent on PDF which should attract hardcore nationalists. Most Pakistanis and this is fact regard Islam as their primary identity with Pakistan coming way behind. In short they are Muslims first. This is in contrast with Turks, Iranians etc. That is why Pakistanis are so prone to becoming hijacked with Islamist causes. No strong secular identity.
On this note i do agree with you but i would say among the educated youth the Ummah CHummah shit is losing popularity they view other countries as other countries now
 
They are. That is nothing new. Ummah Chumma is favourite hobby inside Pakistan. Many imams in Pakistan are also against Pakistan and were against Pakistan's creation. Pakistan has a massive issue with Islamism and that has merely infected the Pakistani diaspora in UK. It also has infected the Pakistani diaspora in USA. I think you know about the Times Square bomber and the San Barnardino shootings. You also know about Mir Qazi.

With love from Pakistan to people US of A. > http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/2...o-27-times-during-gun-battle-with-police.html

1495776061776.jpg



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Qazi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Times_Square_car_bombing_attempt



The problem is within Pakistan. Everybody know this. Look at the scale of Islamic/Mullah terrorism inside Pakistan? Taliban even took parts of Swat over. High profile people like Governor Salman Taseer have been murdered. Shia's are targeted with impunity in Pakistan. So are Ahmadiyya. Minorities inside Pakistan are under seige by Islamic radicals. You even had mullahs taking over in middle Islamabad with the Lal Masjid. After all this I am surprised that you think there is no link from Pakistan to UK. Pakistan is now so famous for Islamic radicals trhat try to use your passport in any country on earth - even China and they will double check you. This is a fact.

The fundamental problem is clear as daylight and even apparent on PDF which should attract hardcore nationalists. Most Pakistanis and this is fact regard Islam as their primary identity with Pakistan coming way behind. In short they are Muslims first. This is in contrast with Turks, Iranians etc. That is why Pakistanis are so prone to becoming hijacked with Islamist causes. No strong secular identity.

People won't like this but Pakistan is not a nation but a state(legal entity).
Like Arab countries that also have terrorism problems, it is easy for people with
no national identity to navigate to religious extremism.
 
People won't like this but Pakistan is not a nation but a state(legal entity).
Like Arab countries that also have terrorism problems, it is easy for people with
no national identity to navigate to religious extremism.
By that line of thinking only very few countries on earth like Japan or Bangla can claim to be nations. All others are hotch potch of ethnic groups. Take USA for instance. Nation is largely how the people are invested in it and that is product of how a state creates the framework on which the differant groups can attach their identity into. Pakistan has done a terrible job of nation building despite being one of the oldest countries at UN.

Nearly 70 years after leaving British India most Pakistani's stil can't look beyond "Indian" and don't have the self respect or strength of identity to call a spade a spade.


imga1.png
 
Last edited:
They are. That is nothing new. Ummah Chumma is favourite hobby inside Pakistan. Many imams in Pakistan are also against Pakistan and were against Pakistan's creation. Pakistan has a massive issue with Islamism and that has merely infected the Pakistani diaspora in UK. It also has infected the Pakistani diaspora in USA. I think you know about the Times Square bomber and the San Barnardino shootings. You also know about Mir Qazi.

With love from Pakistan to people US of A. > http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/2...o-27-times-during-gun-battle-with-police.html

1495776061776.jpg



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Qazi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Times_Square_car_bombing_attempt



The problem is within Pakistan. Everybody know this. Look at the scale of Islamic/Mullah terrorism inside Pakistan? Taliban even took parts of Swat over. High profile people like Governor Salman Taseer have been murdered. Shia's are targeted with impunity in Pakistan. So are Ahmadiyya. Minorities inside Pakistan are under seige by Islamic radicals. You even had mullahs taking over in middle Islamabad with the Lal Masjid. After all this I am surprised that you think there is no link from Pakistan to UK. Pakistan is now so famous for Islamic radicals trhat try to use your passport in any country on earth - even China and they will double check you. This is a fact.

The fundamental problem is clear as daylight and even apparent on PDF which should attract hardcore nationalists. Most Pakistanis and this is fact regard Islam as their primary identity with Pakistan coming way behind. In short they are Muslims first. This is in contrast with Turks, Iranians etc. That is why Pakistanis are so prone to becoming hijacked with Islamist causes. No strong secular identity.
I blame the saudis for a lot of those problems within Pakistani society, what are your thoughts on them ?

I am not saying there is no link but what i am saying is new generation British jihadist are more influenced by Ghetto Mullahs than from the Mullahs from Pakistan
these "British" jihadists are all pan islamist salafist/wahhabi muslims, or literalists, if you will.

these nutters read stuff like:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Messenger and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."....

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56

sahih al bukhari = favourite hadith of al qaeda types
 
these "British" jihadists are all pan islamist salafist/wahhabi muslims, or literalists, if you will.
And they are creation of British Muslim Ghettos not Pakistan British govt is to be blamed for not taking good CARE of them before they went full Mullah
I blame the saudis for a lot of those problems within Pakistani society, what are your thoughts on them ?
I blame tolerance toward intolerance few decades back as the main reason
 
Cos the Elites wish to further the Clash...

its abit obvious. but people in britain are scared to say it out loud, the media and the autorities will attack you for suggesting some truth. anjem choudry is deliberately given limelight so it makes rest of muslim look stupid and there rumours he is mi5 patsy.
 
And they are creation of British Muslim Ghettos not Pakistan British govt is to be blamed for not taking good CARE of them before they went full Mullah
agree, that he was actually in a documentary doing insane things like braying in a public park with that black flag (which might be historically legit but has long since been co-opted by the radicals, just like the ISIS symbol, originally a seal, apparently) but those were big red flags and the authorities let it go on.

political correctness killing people, and if it goes on for too much longer, it'll get good everyday regular muslims in trouble when the natives get violent.

There was an incident there with Indian sikh girls and these wahabi types and the police ignored the complaints, the sikhs snapped, ganged up and took it to the wahabis.. the result ? the perps were finally arrested but 20 sikhs went to prison.. these salafi/wahabi literalist types only understand violence.

sooner or later the natives will snap, let's hope it's well organized and only the loons get back what they give.

dark times in Europe, they'll be forced to regress to the mob lynching mentality in this part of the world soon if the authorities don't curb it.

funnily enough, the al qaeda types say the same in defence of mass mobs angered and triggered by blasphemy.

multiculturalism is a fantasy/falsehood, all of those who leave for the west must assimilate into their culture.

I blame tolerance toward intolerance few decades back as the main reason
but Zia only saudified you guys.

there used to be a hippie trail through Pak into India with friendly stops in Pak, all stopped with his saudification.
 
multiculturalism is a fantasy/falsehood, all of those who leave for the west must assimilate into their culture.
It can work but in name of multi culturism what has taken over west is ghettoism where people are strangers and have different values
but Zia only saudified you guys.
He gave the bigots and right wingers what they wanted which was never a good idea
 
It can work but in name of multi culturism what has taken over west is ghettoism where people are strangers and have different values
yes but this kind of violence is only being carried out by one very specific group within a larger community, the Jamaicans aren't blowing themselves up, mon. :drag:
 
I blame the saudis for a lot of those problems within Pakistani society, what are your thoughts on them ?


these "British" jihadists are all pan islamist salafist/wahhabi muslims, or literalists, if you will.

these nutters read stuff like:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

A man came to Allah's Messenger and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."....

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56

sahih al bukhari = favourite hadith of al qaeda types
So are you suggesting that Muslims should abandon Sahih Al Bukhari or edit it?
 
So are you suggesting that Muslims should abandon Sahih Al Bukhari or edit it?
No, that is not what he was suggesting at all.

Not an Islamic scholar, not pretending to be one either. That is one huge collection of hadiths, the al bukhari, obviously not familiar with everything in there but it is full of these sayings that are pretty straight forward in what they're saying.

If you're a fundamentalist/literalist however, angry with the world, and convinced that the afterlife is where it's at, and that acting out violently and killing the filthy kafir will get you a confirmed ticket to paradise and that your violent murderous actions have religious sanction because of what you read in the al bukhari.. I think that's a problem.

To co-opt a phrase from the 'murrican gun debate, books don't kill people, people kill people.

Read by literalists and taken to heart and as religious duty in service of the creator of all everything, powerful stuff.. and that is what's happening with the Islamic literalists. No room for interpretation, everything is black and white, us and them, right and wrong.. it's a psychosis, a strong psychotic delusion.

btw there are also other sources within Islamic scripture apart from this one collection of hadiths that can exacerbate the literalists' psychosis. So there is a problem within Islam. Saying stuff like "Islam has nothing to do with it" is being just as intellectually bankrupt as the trolls tweeting silly catchphrases like #banIslam etc on the other side.

btw, not being bigoted, I know you can find a lot of weird violent stuff in the first testament in the bible, apparently there are references and calls to religious violence in the Gita too and of course there are crazy bigots everywhere, and yes, the US and western powers have invaded, conquered and colonized a lot of lands and their people but..


















the Jamaicans aren't blowing themselves up, mon.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Total: 2, Members: 0, Guests: 2)


Back
Top Bottom