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KSA to activate $3.2 billion deferred of payment on oil for Pakistan from July.

Sir first u totally rest that pain is zalim 24 hour type.we have to pay but payment start after 3 years that time CPEC payment start too after grace period but forget it all IA acha hoga will share u some good news first week of JUne
@zulu yaar you know I m not too well these days thats why I post off and on, saudi package is a loan and we will have to pay it back, means more burden to already screwed foreign debt problem, moreover the future cost of this package cannon fodder to yemen war or Arab - Iran war, that is what really is the crux, before IK we were having problems in our relations with saudis because earlier MNS rather took the matter of sending our forces for saudi-yemen conflict and everyone knows what happened. We as pakistanis have a mixed population we cannot afford to become part of anyones war both arabs and Iranian have already seeded enough hatred and divide in our society for the last 40 year thanks to zia and his minions.
 
That's all count and matters, huge mineral and fossil fuel potential there, maritime too.
Pakistan don't have enough resources this is the problem biggest sector of Pakistan economy is agriculture and other industries related to agriculture
 
Thank you, Saudia Arabia. Every bit helps. But please can you stop treating us like a begger or a dog that runs around waiting for bone or two to be thrown it's way by the master. Can you instead please express that warmth to Pakistan via legal, institutional and treaty relationship with our country. Here think how wealthy Western European countries like Germany, France etc create legal treaty platforms like EU that help the poor Eastern European countries through mandatory grants, preferantial trade and labour migration. This has helped to lift Eastern Europe from depths of poverty.

In return those countries are of course obligated to give preferance to other members states and via membership of NATO provide mutual military protection.


Arab countries in GCC helps and support each other same as you mentioned rich EU countries supports earlier soviet bloc eastern Europe countries....Pakistan is neither an Arab country, nor has a peculiar identity...does Sunni/Islamic/south Asian helps...don't think so.

RCD agreement was better earlier but that was restricted to just some trade and land routes...will a wannabe Pan Islamic bloc, Capliphate helps?...far fetched here.
 
Agree with it, Pakistanis in general are bad marketeers, average strategists, if there is another country with the geo strategic location of Pakistan, the good demographics, the huge agrarian, mineral and other potential, Pakistan would have been a developed country by now...in the same league as Malaysia or better still in a higher rank...
Agreed. You know I love the idea of a Western Asian Union. From Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakista, Arabian peninsula, levant [Syria, Lebnon, Jordan], Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan. A block much like European Union. To my mind colonial mind is not that wears western clothing but accepts colonial or westerncentric divisions. I mean wtf is Middle East. How is Oman differant from Balochistan? Or when you cross Taftan border in Iran how is that Middle East? When you cross Europe how come they don't divide that up? Greeks look, behave entirely diffwerant from Swedes. These divisions on our world were imposed and we need to breal free from them. Look at Arabian peninsula. Lines everywhere. Oman, Yemen, UAE etc. One people, one language, one religion sliced like a Donner Kebab. Who by?

I refuse to allow sectarianism divide us. I know that from Istanbul to Lahore to Amman to Muscat despite the diversity there is underlying common civilization. And I see Turkey, Iran and Pakistan as three that could get this project off the ground. If only we could get past sectarism etc

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Pakistan don't have enough resources this is the problem biggest sector of Pakistan economy is agriculture and other industries related to agriculture
Neither did South Korea, Singapore, Japan. But they do have lots of highly educated, motivated secular human resource base

Ps. And nearer to us Turkey is not exactly awash with oil, gas or other natural resouces but has done rather well. Wonder why.
 
@Indus Pakistan then Indians would say how is Lahore different from Amritsar or Afghans would say how is quetta different from kandhar

Density by country. Pakistan is way behind. Clearly more then just population is a factor.

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You have to compare density of Pakistan's population with it's resources not with other countries
 
@Indus Pakistan then Indians would say how is Lahore different from Amritsar or Afghans would say how is quetta different from kandhar
Well, Indians will bark whatever happens. I am not here to satisfy or qualify Indians. But now that you mention Amritsar and Lahore. There is that teeny weeny bit of differance between a Abrahamic religion Islam and Sikhs as manifested in Lahore and Amritsar. No self repecting Lahori would give his daughter to a Sikh from Amritsar. But that qualm does NOT apply between Peshawar and Kabul. Which is why I believe in common destiny of West Asia. Yes, like Europe we in West Asia have our differances but we still belong to the same civilizational current which as a seculartist I accept is informed by Islam.

ou have to compare density of Pakistan's population with it's resources not with other countries
Singapore ante development had zilch resources, ditto South Korea, ditto Japan. However they did have a very secular, driven, nationalistic cultures that copied without the slightest shyness the best the west had. And they never looked back. Today look at them.
 
Agreed. You know I love the idea of a Western Asian Union. From Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakista, Arabian peninsula, levant [Syria, Lebnon, Jordan], Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan. A block much like European Union. To my mind colonial mind is not that wears western clothing but accepts colonial or westerncentric divisions. I mean wtf is Middle East. How is Oman differant from Balochistan? Or when you cross Taftan border in Iran how is that Middle East? When you cross Europe how come they don't divide that up? Greeks look, behave entirely diffwerant from Swedes. These divisions on our world were imposed and we need to breal free from them. Look at Arabian peninsula. Lines everywhere. Oman, Yemen, UAE etc. One people, one language, one religion sliced like a Donner Kebab. Who by?

I refuse to allow sectarianism divide us. I know that from Istanbul to Lahore to Amman to Muscat despite the diversity there is underlying common civilization. And I see Turkey, Iran and Pakistan as three that could get this project off the ground. If only we could get past sectarism etc


Agreed with the thought...currently looks far fetched but ideal.

Our erstwhile Indian Union can be added here...like Pakistan Punjab and Indian Punjab have a lots of commonalities like language, culture and heritage. I always read positive comments of Indian Punjabis on Pakistan related forums(leaving the religious bonding here), similarly Pakistan Sindh has lots of commonalities with Indian Gujarat, language and culture, Rajhastan and Thar and South Punjab of Pakistan has lots of commonalities...of course nothing in common if looked with religious bonding. As BD has proved at times linguistic bonding can be stronger.

Similarly the Pashtun belt in Afghanistan can cut common grounds with Pakistan side of Pashtun areas...

It is more about decentralized, provincial based(area wise) blocs or bonding and not country to country as a whole...

Point is Pakistan need to explore, out-of-box thinking about mix and match, the regional blocs should not be restricted to bonding just because of religion, but can be a smaller blocs on the basis of language and culture commonalities.
 
Red, where huge amounts are spent ~ notice in Eastern Europe. This is literally wealth being shared out with the poor by Western Europe.

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These guys are singularly incapable of addressing any of the clear points I touched on. So instead, they begin making personal comments about me.

The truth is I cannot stand any mullah, east or west, shia or sunni, tall or short, fat or skinny. I regard them all as profiteers of religion. They use religion to gather power and money. This extends particularly to the Iranian mullahs. My idea is Kemal Ataturk and secularism. The Iranian mullahs are the antithesis to Kemalism. But all this is beyond the comprension of these guys.

As regards men who have studied religion I quite respect Javed Ghamidi.
Absolutely sir
 
Our erstwhile Indian Union
What union?

like Pakistan Punjab and Indian Punjab have a lots of common language, culture and heritage. I always read positive comments of Indian Punjabis on Pakistan related forums(leaving the religious bonding here)
Your undoing the whole idea of 1947. If they are so cool what the fcuk was that drama in 1947? Some joke? Would a Lahori agree to his daughter getting hitched with a Sikh or would it be out with knives ...

Pakistan Sindh has lots of commonalities with Indian Gujarat, language and culture
No it does NOT. I don't claim to be expert on this but Sindhi and Gujrati are entirely differant languages. Sindh has it's unique, marvelous history which was for most of the millenia on a separate trajectory to Gujrat. There is actual physical division by the salt/deserts between them.

My idea is West Asia. We broke away from a ready made South Asia in 1947. That cost a lot. Now can we grab our destiny with West Asia.

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The only reason why I support CPEC is the enhancement of connectivity with Western Asia and to break the fundamentalist and Indo phile crap
 
Agreed with the thought...currently looks far fetched but ideal.

Our erstwhile Indian Union can be added here...like Pakistan Punjab and Indian Punjab have a lots of commonalities like language, culture and heritage. I always read positive comments of Indian Punjabis on Pakistan related forums(leaving the religious bonding here), similarly Pakistan Sindh has lots of commonalities with Indian Gujarat, language and culture, Rajhastan and Thar and South Punjab of Pakistan has lots of commonalities...of course nothing in common if looked with religious bonding. As BD has proved at times linguistic bonding can be stronger.

Similarly the Pashtun belt in Afghanistan can cut common grounds with Pakistan side of Pashtun areas...

It is more about decentralized, provincial based(area wise) blocs or bonding and not country to country as a whole...

Point is Pakistan need to explore, out-of-box thinking about mix and match, the regional blocs should not be restricted to bonding just because of religion, but can be a smaller blocs on the basis of language and culture commonalities.
Sir for you religion might be a secondary factor but for most pakistans it's not and there was 1000 Miles of India and Arabian sea between us and Bangladesh even then it would not have happened. It happened due to the Short-sightedness of our military and political establishment of the time.
 
My idea is West Asia. We broke away from a ready made South Asia in 1947. That cost a lot. Now can we grab our destiny with West Asia.


Iran has this delusions of grandeur of 'Persian empire' still thinks is a super power of sorts...???

Arabs has this fraternity of Arabs...GCC, other local pacts.

Pakistan(South Asia) has this useless/reduntant SAARC....left in the lurch.

Some introspection, looking at the larger picture will only help, ignoring the oft repeated 'only countries interest are permanent and not foes and friends'...

The only true friends Pakistan has are Turkey and China...rest are all transactional.
 

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