Kashmiri Mujahids being hunted down in Pakistan

[Skimming]

Lol this pakistani is very sympathetic and crying for Indian muslims but not ready to keep 30 lakh muslims from afghanistan

Muslims living in India are technically all pakistanis since partition in 1947 , they stayed in India by design and making fool of Nehru , Gandhi and Hindus , But now hindus have understood the true designs of muslims and the way how they are doing jihad all over the world , so we are tackling them accordingly .

Madam,

Explain one thing. For at least 30 years, Congress had monopoly in India. Why then, did they indulge in Muslim votebank politics? I don't get the point. I can understand why they did that later when BJP arrived on the scene. But why did Congress do it (Muslim votebank politics) in previous decades when it had monopoly?

 

[surmabhopali]

Madam,

Explain one thing. For at least 30 years, Congress had monopoly in India. Why then, did they indulge in Muslim votebank politics? I don't get the point. I can understand why they did that later when BJP arrived on the scene. But why did Congress do it (Muslim votebank politics) in previous decades when it had monopoly?

Mohtarma

Crafty and clever muslims of India first demanded pakistan with Jinnah as leader and got it in 1947 , one group of these muslims captured leadership of congress with help of fools like Gandhi and Nehru who everyone knows was a muslim .So muslim by conspiracy got pakistan and stayed in India . But now hindus have understood the whole story that is now they are building a strong hindu nation to fight war with radical islamic terrorism .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Jinnah went to pakistan and left muslims in India , that was the injustice done with hindus, why should we keep muslims in India, Muslims should understand that India is a hindu country .

Jinnah suggested, fought for and won a particular set of principles for a new country.

At that time, he was not the main architect of Indian freedom. Others, a mix of Hindus, Muslims, Parsis, Buddhists, Sikhs were. They strenuously opposed those principles for their original state. So there was no one active in the freedom movement who asked for a state for Hindus exclusively and had popular support.

People like you should have been active 75 years earlier and successfully fought for such an exclusively Hindu state and won it. Complaining now is a little late.

I am not sure if i understand your question correctly.

I believe getting them to retain power in order to achieve such minor gains is a bad bargain.

 

[arjunk]

Why wouldn't people use such cost-effective solutions?

I am opposed to these clandestine methods, but look at it from the point of congenitally unlawful operators; to them, this would be a piece of cake.

RAW does use such methods. While the average joe can't spend 50k for a target killer anymore, nor can MQM-type terrorists organise and attack in large numbers, if you really want to burn a hole in your wallet, you can take out a nobody from a defunct organiziation when he wanders into a bad neighborhood.

RAW cannot target anything or anyone of remote significance in this manner.

JeM is well aware of this fact and remains unfazed by India's impotent show of force; they recently openly held a daylight rally for Palestine in Karachi.

Yeah, right.

"I got kicked on my arse, but hey, I was doing the kicking. I was kicking my own arse, it was all to fool people."

To be fair, he does have a point. Since the Cold War, many ISI officers began believing their own militant propaganda which they were spreading in Afghanistan. Recent events have helped snap them out of this hypnosis and realize the Talibs are the same as any other Afghan government

 

[arjunk]

Lol this pakistani is very sympathetic and crying for Indian muslims but not ready to keep 30 lakh muslims from afghanistan

We have hosted a quarter of Afghanistan's population as refugees and taken millions of Indian Muslim immigrants in (they amounted to 25% of our population at partition).

Pakistan is full.

Indian Muslims will have to fight for their own rights instead of acting like dasmels in distress. Afghans should stop destroying their country every decade in their quest to annex Pakistan.

Pakistan is not responsible for cleaning up the worlds' messes in Afghanistan and India. Fix your own problems.

 

[Joe Shearer]

While the average joe can't spend 50k for a target killer anymore

Please, in future, could you use the phrase, 'the average arjunk' and oblige?

RAW does use such methods.

If it does, I condemn it. This has never been Indian policy, and represents the kind of distortion that has crept into every aspect of administration in India, civil as well as military.

While the average joe can't spend 50k for a target killer anymore, nor can MQM-type terrorists organise and attack in large numbers, if you really want to burn a hole in your wallet, you can take out a nobody from a defunct organiziation when he wanders into a bad neighborhood.

Quite possibly.
You have defined the situation so broadly that it could apply to anything, anywhere. Croatian treatment of a Serb on the wrong highway?
What is not clear is how this applies with any specificity to Pakistan. It is a general phenomenon world-wide, like many other occurrences, and does not reward closer examination.

RAW cannot target anything or anyone of remote significance in this manner.

Ineffective bods, aren't they?
Then this discussion is quite the tea-and-biscuits thing. Thank you for the invitation.

JeM is well aware of this fact and remains unfazed by India's impotent show of force; they recently openly held a daylight rally for Palestine in Karachi.

NO!
In daylight?
Oh, for Palestine.
Like some of our schools. I get it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

To be fair, he does have a point. Since the Cold War, many ISI officers began believing their own militant propaganda which they were spreading in Afghanistan. Recent events have helped snap them out of this hypnosis and realize the Talibs are the same as any other Afghan government

This sounds grounded and factual. I withdraw my gibe.

But now hindus have understood the true designs of muslims and the way how they are doing jihad all over the world , so we are tackling them accordingly .

Not Hindus.
Brainwashed Hindutvavadis from the Sangh Parivar.
As for the tackling, it is strange, and is mainly on PDF, or against schoolgirls or isolated civilians.

Madam,

Explain one thing. For at least 30 years, Congress had monopoly in India. Why then, did they indulge in Muslim votebank politics? I don't get the point. I can understand why they did that later when BJP arrived on the scene. But why did Congress do it (Muslim votebank politics) in previous decades when it had monopoly?

Not my fight; no dogs in this fight.
What was vote-bank politics? What benefits did Muslims get? Financial? Social? Territorial?
If you could refrain from citing the Shah Bano case and the existence of Muslim personal law, it would be most obliging.

 

[arjunk]

Muslims living in India are technically all pakistanis

PAKISTAN refers to Punjabis, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Pashtun, and Baloch, and/or since 1947, people holding Pakistani citizenship.

Do tell me how Muslims of India are "technically" Pakistanis.

 

[surmabhopali]

PAKISTAN refers to Punjabis, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Pashtun, and Baloch, and/or since 1947, people holding Pakistani citizenship.

Do tell me how Muslims of India are "technically" Pakistanis.

Muslims of India demanded pakistan , they got it , so all muslims of India are pakistani where ever it is .

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Muslims of India demanded pakistan , they got it , so all muslims of India are pakistani where ever it is .

Ironically, the Pashtuns and Baloch had desired either independent nations or to remain part of India, but they didn't achieve either. Conversely, Indian Muslims who voted for Pakistan stayed in India and are presently advocating for an Islamic state.

 

[arjunk]

Quite possibly.
You have defined the situation so broadly that it could apply to anything, anywhere. Croatian treatment of a Serb on the wrong highway?
What is not clear is how this applies with any specificity to Pakistan. It is a general phenomenon world-wide, like many other occurrences, and does not reward closer examination.

Ineffective bods, aren't they?

Well, RAW could easily escalate. I doubt Croatia has as many unregulated arms and militia as Pakistan does. Pakistani target killers certainly charge lower prices than the $100,000+ demanded in the US.

But ISI can do the same in India. @PanzerKiel mentioned a few years ago a Pakistani asset was kidnapped by India - I believe it was in Nepal. Subsequently, an Indian asset was also kidnapped by Pakistan to convey the message "we can do the same to you." If I recall correctly, both assets were then returned.

Now, back to our context. A few months ago a Kashmiri commander was killed while praying in AJK. A few days later, three Indian officers and scores of soldiers were killed in what was explicitly declared to be a retaliatory attack by TRF.

Such an attack - involving a false tip and knowledge of the movement of officers and QRFs - was thought not to be possible without extensive intel and a mole in RR/IA. Around the time of this attack, PAFF posted a video recording the inside of an Indian Army vehicle transporting a few other soldiers.

If you wear a tinfoil hat and venture the depths of twitter and telegram, conspiracy theorists on both sides will have you believe that it was ISI who provided this intel to TRF and PAFF and "nudged" them to target the officers.

While current Indian planners may be irresponsible in using symbolic attacks for hate-based nationalistic votes, they are certainly not stupid enough to escalate to a point that would bring a carnage of retaliatory killings upon themselves and Indian cities.

Muslims of India demanded pakistan , they got it , so all muslims of India are pakistani where ever it is .

So, every Muslim land in India including Kashmir is Pakistani land?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I doubt Croatia has as many unregulated arms and militia as Pakistan does.

THAT WAS A JOKE!

JEEZ.

But ISI can do the same in India. @PanzerKiel mentioned a few years ago a Pakistani asset was kidnapped by India - I believe it was in Nepal. Subsequently, an Indian asset was also kidnapped by Pakistan to convey the message "we can do the same to you." If I recall correctly, both assets were then returned.

Both happened in Nepal. Nepal is not India. Nepal being a common refuge for the ill-intentioned from all South Asian nations goes back to the murder of Pratap Singh Kairon.

Now, back to our context. A few months ago a Kashmiri commander was killed while praying in AJK. A few days later, three Indian officers and scores of soldiers were killed in what was explicitly declared to be a retaliatory attack by TRF.

Such an attack - involving a false tip and knowledge of the movement of officers and QRFs - was thought not to be possible without extensive intel and a mole in RR/IA. Around the time of this attack, PAFF posted a video recording the inside of an Indian Army vehicle transporting a few other soldiers.

If you wear a tinfoil hat and venture the depths of twitter and telegram, conspiracy theorists on both sides will have you believe that it was ISI who provided this intel to TRF and PAFF and "nudged" them to target the officers.

While current Indian planners may be irresponsible in using symbolic attacks for hate-based nationalistic votes, they are certainly not stupid enough to escalate to a point that would bring a carnage of retaliatory killings upon themselves and Indian cities.

So what emerges is that both intelligence agencies operate with impunity in each other's countries. Why this thread, then? Aal ij wale, right?

 

[arjunk]

operate with impunity

Impunity to do what? To observe silently? Perhaps. To conduct kinetic action? That is another story

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Impunity to do what? To observe silently? Perhaps. To conduct kinetic action? That is another story

The Pakistani intelligentsia could potentially conduct terrorist strikes within India, akin to how Hamas operates in Israel or the Taliban in Pakistan, or Hezbollah in Iran. However, the Indian intelligentsia is more proficient and better equipped to execute precise tactical operations within Pakistan aimed at safeguarding their national security.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Impunity to do what? To observe silently? Perhaps. To conduct kinetic action? That is another story

From the tone of your post, I thought you were referring to kinetic action.