Joe Shearer
PROFESSIONAL
What a disgusting statement! @Horus, has someone hacked your account, or have you taken leave of your senses? Is it possible that you were the author of that vulgarity?
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I think most Indians in their self-righteousness
I still don't get it sir.![]()
Right I'll write about this. Apart from the Chinese posters I can be pretty confident that every other poster in this thread, especially the Indian posters, with their usual "higher than the mountains" one liners have never met a Chinese Muslim in their lives. Hence rely on press reports.
During the early years from 2000, such reports were surfacing and I was quite concerned. In 2005 I went on Haj and decided to make a point of finding Chinese Muslims to ask them about all these things. During the night stay at Muzdalifah I found one guy running to the top of a high mountain and planting the Chinese flag there. Apparently this was a bit of fun that that the pilgrims indulged in i.e. who could plant their national flag first on the mountains in Muzdalifah. I went running to the foot of the mountain to get hold of this fellow and caught up with him on his way down. I gave him Salam and introduced myself and we embraced, and he gave me his name and told me he was Chinese. He was a Hui Muslim. I asked him about his camp at Mina, and he said that he will take me there tomorrow, as I told him I had some enquires to make. Tomorrow came and we went to his camp, which was very large and well equipped. It was just after the Dhur prayer and the pilgrims were about to have lunch and they sat me down. Looking around the composition of the group, the group was overwhelming Hui, with a few Ughiurs. I was told to address my questions to the camp leaders who spoke English, they were the elders and not anything to do with the government. I asked them about how their lives were in China and they laughed. They said they led fantastic lives and China was their motherland. I then questioned them about the fasting issue, Hijab, beards and so forth. This made me look daft considering the bulk of them had beards and they said there was no such restriction.
After this I raised the topic of Xinjiang region and their faces became more serious. The Hui said it was an ethnic struggle and nothing to do with faith, at this point the few Ughiurs spoke up (through the elders interpreting). Several of them stated they hated China and it was brutal and oppressive, the others shook their heads and said that if you keep your nose clean you have nothing to fear. The anti-Chinese Ughiurs spoke up again and said that the Hui are ethnically like the Han and so their answers didn't really represent their struggle, the elders stepped in and said that they were all brothers and the debate died down. I enjoyed a lovely meal with them, hugged them and prayed for their success.
Is the clampdown "Islamaphobic" no it's not. It is to do with ethnicity, yes it is. Are the lines blurred when it comes to faith and ethnicity, yes they are. Could we see some officials being zealots and coming to conclusions that beards = militants, that can happen. Are Chinese Muslims patriotic, very much so.
Its ingrained. Almost like breathing for them.
In simpler terms, chill out.
Bro, Can you read?
You're comparing China settling territories that have been populated in most parts by Han for over 2,000 years to flooding AP with foreigners?
@Joe Shearer appreciate the civility, I'll try to keep it in check since there are more intelligent people to actually engage with now.
As you know, the bulk of my posts on PDF have been directed to correcting the egregious posts of other Indians. But the vulgarity I saw earlier, and the utterly childish behaviour on later posts, really comes as a shock to me. I agree about the set attitudes of some Indians; that in no way justifies what I read - which, incidentally,considering its utterly low levels of decorum and decency in discussion, I deeply regret I read.
Good luck at that, I gave up on my countrymen a long time back. Regardless, it only serves as an example of increased vile hatred that has spawned up since the internet or rather social media took off. I've come to enjoy that mindset now, stroking it, poking it, seeing it explode on and off and imaging the beating that user's keyboard may be taking; clearly I've become sadistic in regard to interactions on PDF.
I used to get some relief coming into PDF and discussing abstractions and theoretical concepts in conditions that deny oxygen to the rude, vulgar and stupid. After another thread like this, notwithstanding your clear-eyed and disillusioned analysis of the Internet reality - masterly, by the way - I do not think I will have the heart to continue. It seems too much like the real world.
Well, you have a lot more patience than I have but I look at coming back here from the perspective of having good discussions with those that matter. Unlike real life the opinions here rarely effect your day to day activities or even your income, to repeat what I told another member regarding posts here in a not so flattering analogy: what you read and say here should be as significant as your last burp; if it was one that provided relief then you'll be happy about it, if it was one that was a little annoying on its way out.. you'll still not really care for or remember it a few seconds after it was over.
Sanity prevails among those that choose it huzoor. In reality I have been utterly disheartened by my countrymen and their attitude, so much so that I thanked the almighty from the depth of my heart as I stepped out of this country for a new home elsewhere recently; but one cannot stop the heart aching for one's own.. even as the realization of the futility of it all pretty much takes over all hope.LOL.
Thank you for introducing a note of sanity and expelling the overwrought feelings.
I have actually met one, he didnt have good things to say about the han but had no problem with the communist party.Right I'll write about this. Apart from the Chinese posters I can be pretty confident that every other poster in this thread, especially the Indian posters, with their usual "higher than the mountains" one liners have never met a Chinese Muslim in their lives. Hence rely on press reports.
During the early years from 2000, such reports were surfacing and I was quite concerned. In 2005 I went on Haj and decided to make a point of finding Chinese Muslims to ask them about all these things. During the night stay at Muzdalifah I found one guy running to the top of a high mountain and planting the Chinese flag there. Apparently this was a bit of fun that that the pilgrims indulged in i.e. who could plant their national flag first on the mountains in Muzdalifah. I went running to the foot of the mountain to get hold of this fellow and caught up with him on his way down. I gave him Salam and introduced myself and we embraced, and he gave me his name and told me he was Chinese. He was a Hui Muslim. I asked him about his camp at Mina, and he said that he will take me there tomorrow, as I told him I had some enquires to make. Tomorrow came and we went to his camp, which was very large and well equipped. It was just after the Dhur prayer and the pilgrims were about to have lunch and they sat me down. Looking around the composition of the group, the group was overwhelming Hui, with a few Ughiurs. I was told to address my questions to the camp leaders who spoke English, they were the elders and not anything to do with the government. I asked them about how their lives were in China and they laughed. They said they led fantastic lives and China was their motherland. I then questioned them about the fasting issue, Hijab, beards and so forth. This made me look daft considering the bulk of them had beards and they said there was no such restriction.
After this I raised the topic of Xinjiang region and their faces became more serious. The Hui said it was an ethnic struggle and nothing to do with faith, at this point the few Ughiurs spoke up (through the elders interpreting). Several of them stated they hated China and it was brutal and oppressive, the others shook their heads and said that if you keep your nose clean you have nothing to fear. The anti-Chinese Ughiurs spoke up again and said that the Hui are ethnically like the Han and so their answers didn't really represent their struggle, the elders stepped in and said that they were all brothers and the debate died down. I enjoyed a lovely meal with them, hugged them and prayed for their success.
Is the clampdown "Islamaphobic" no it's not. It is to do with ethnicity, yes it is. Are the lines blurred when it comes to faith and ethnicity, yes they are. Could we see some officials being zealots and coming to conclusions that beards = militants, that can happen. Are Chinese Muslims patriotic, very much so.
Right I'll write about this. Apart from the Chinese posters I can be pretty confident that every other poster in this thread, especially the Indian posters, with their usual "higher than the mountains" one liners have never met a Chinese Muslim in their lives. Hence rely on press reports.
During the early years from 2000, such reports were surfacing and I was quite concerned. In 2005 I went on Haj and decided to make a point of finding Chinese Muslims to ask them about all these things. During the night stay at Muzdalifah I found one guy running to the top of a high mountain and planting the Chinese flag there. Apparently this was a bit of fun that that the pilgrims indulged in i.e. who could plant their national flag first on the mountains in Muzdalifah. I went running to the foot of the mountain to get hold of this fellow and caught up with him on his way down. I gave him Salam and introduced myself and we embraced, and he gave me his name and told me he was Chinese. He was a Hui Muslim. I asked him about his camp at Mina, and he said that he will take me there tomorrow, as I told him I had some enquires to make. Tomorrow came and we went to his camp, which was very large and well equipped. It was just after the Dhur prayer and the pilgrims were about to have lunch and they sat me down. Looking around the composition of the group, the group was overwhelming Hui, with a few Ughiurs. I was told to address my questions to the camp leaders who spoke English, they were the elders and not anything to do with the government. I asked them about how their lives were in China and they laughed. They said they led fantastic lives and China was their motherland. I then questioned them about the fasting issue, Hijab, beards and so forth. This made me look daft considering the bulk of them had beards and they said there was no such restriction.
After this I raised the topic of Xinjiang region and their faces became more serious. The Hui said it was an ethnic struggle and nothing to do with faith, at this point the few Ughiurs spoke up (through the elders interpreting). Several of them stated they hated China and it was brutal and oppressive, the others shook their heads and said that if you keep your nose clean you have nothing to fear. The anti-Chinese Ughiurs spoke up again and said that the Hui are ethnically like the Han and so their answers didn't really represent their struggle, the elders stepped in and said that they were all brothers and the debate died down. I enjoyed a lovely meal with them, hugged them and prayed for their success.
Is the clampdown "Islamaphobic" no it's not. It is to do with ethnicity, yes it is. Are the lines blurred when it comes to faith and ethnicity, yes they are. Could we see some officials being zealots and coming to conclusions that beards = militants, that can happen. Are Chinese Muslims patriotic, very much so.
forget pakistani govt, ordinary pakistanis are scared to voice their opinion, even on pdf... dont want to hurt chinese sentiment.. the slavery runs deep.
palestine of course is completely different.![]()
We don't regret the breakup either. Frankly looking at the level of sectarianism in Islam ,I am happy that Majority muslim west Punjab and its adjacents left us. IF you were with us, goodness gracious.
But now ,we have shias of Pakistan singing the indian national anthem on Pak independence day. What more could be a bigger insult than this to Pakistan lol.
indian talking about deep rooted slavery.....it doesnt get much better than this
Every religion has fringe groups who exploit sectarian differences. Christianity was not different. Judaism you have liberal vs. orthodox. Hell -- look at india the only country with a caste system where girls get raped and hung from trees just b/c of their caste.
as for your last point - good luck finding any Pakistani singing your "national" anthem.....the word "indian" is more derogatory than the word "bastard"