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1)Kick the US out
2) Get Kashmir and form strong relations with India give them srilanka as gift
3)Get rid of democracy and hang Bilawal just for sake of making a point
Do these and nothing can stop Pakistan from growing again.
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1)Kick the US out
2) Get Kashmir and form strong relations with India give them srilanka as gift
3)Get rid of democracy and hang Bilawal just for sake of making a point
Do these and nothing can stop Pakistan from growing again.
Oh man, another one of these threads. How can we enter a recession? What is this recession being judged against? We have never even had sustained growth, Pakistan's modern history is one of perpetual economic irrelevancy and recession. We have always been in recession, so unless the current growth is even less than the snail's pace we were growing at before the last phantom economic boom phase, it is actually a continuation of a highly stable economy...by stable I mean consistently terrible.
Pakistan owed its few years of growth to American aid and investment...we cant ever be successful because our government and public is too corrupt, and our institutions too inefficient and uninterested. How long would economic growth last once the US leaves when the law and order situation is terrible, local institutions virtually expect to be bribed and where banks are so reluctant to give out loans that they have virtually brought the country to a standstill. Im sorry, but if I have a business to start, this is nnnot the place I would do so...and that right there is the problem.
I never heard Pakistanis sing this tune during the cold war days...so why the hurried reversal?
Oh man, another one of these threads. How can we enter a recession? What is this recession being judged against? We have never even had sustained growth, Pakistan's modern history is one of perpetual economic irrelevancy and recession. We have always been in recession, so unless the current growth is even less than the snail's pace we were growing at before the last phantom economic boom phase, it is actually a continuation of a highly stable economy...by stable I mean consistently terrible.
Pakistan owed its few years of growth to American aid and investment...we cant ever be successful because our government and public is too corrupt, and our institutions too inefficient and uninterested. How long would economic growth last once the US leaves when the law and order situation is terrible, local institutions virtually expect to be bribed and where banks are so reluctant to give out loans that they have virtually brought the country to a standstill. Im sorry, but if I have a business to start, this is nnnot the place I would do so...and that right there is the problem.
Because in the cold war days the Americans did not have boots on the ground in the region. After a while, even the most beloved of one's guests starts becoming a burden. There is "mehmaan nawazi" fatigue in Pakistan. ;-)
Because in the cold war days the Americans did not have boots on the ground in the region. After a while, even the most beloved of one's guests starts becoming a burden. There is "mehmaan nawazi" fatigue in Pakistan. ;-)

As we've learned ourselves, keep the Americans close, but not too close.![]()
Regarding the topic, it really can't get worse than it is right now, isn't it? I mean you've hit the rock bottom at the moment. The focus and desire should be to go up from here.
I disagree growth during Musharraf's tenure was not as you say as a result of aid. Sustained high levels of growth were achieved by creating an environment for sustainable growth by ensuring government credibility.
In accordance to your assessment, why has Zardari failed to achieve even higher levels of growth? after all, his government is the recipient of further 1.5 billion USD aid from the US. It all comes down to lack of government credibility, corruption and sheer incompetence. This eventually led to Pakistan being unable to sustain growth post Musharraf.
Riaz should comment here.. Being a Pakistani I would expect him to be more in tune with Pakistan's issues than trying to find loopholes in the Indian economy numbers. But I may be wrong
btw, Pakistanis commenting about "we were oh so good before WOT" is a little similar to a con man commenting about how life was good before he got caught. Obviously every thing was good when Pakistan was able to oppress Afghanistan at will without anyone interfering. But once the bigger boys got involved, Pakistan wasnt able to make hay like before and the realities came in front.. Folks need to get used to the fact that the present situation is more real than the one before 2001 was..

There is truth to what you are saying but Musharraf didnt create a stable situation as much as he represented stability in himself. You are looking at it completely wrong, Musharraf, as a military leader inspired greater confidence than the civilian leadership before and after him that always operates at the whims of the military general of the time.
Also it was Musharrafs terrible policies and decision making in regards to America and the War on Terror that has landed us in this mess. Many of the most important economic indicators lag behind the real cause of problems. The actions of Musharraf were the precursor for the disaster today. The aid is no longer helpful in keeping the economy afloat because it did its part initially, as the economy has increased quite a bit since then...ofcourse, if you keep increasing the aid incrementally, which is what we seem to survive on, youll be shocked at how well Pakistan will begin to cope with its debt issues.
The problem remains, we have very few sources of revenue for the government, leaving it reliant on aid and remittances.
What a useless post.
How and where did we get "caught".
What are you trying to imply?
Yes we were good before WOT, not that we are in shambles now, but the WOT is taking its toll and we pay a heave price for it.
Pakistan was oppressing Afghanistan? Are you kidding me.
So the Americans gatecrashed into our region to liberate Afghanistan from Pakistan?
Wait, I can't even give you a serious response on this.![]()