Is China Still Communist?

[Omar Al-Deek]

Che Guevara is a loser, few admire him if not nobody. Even when China was in Chairman Mao's era, we never agree with Che Guevara. He has no plan, no organization, no principle, no strategic thinking, such a loser.
It's CIA who advertise Che Guevara, so that South American stop thinking.
Chinese think strategically, not as short sighted as Che Guevara.

Honestly, I think he was a hedonist who just was pursuing a weird thrill....

you have a correct description of him.... he was a person pursuing some kind of weird thrill- he didn't really have strategy and that was why he was killed in Bolivia..... I hate Mao but I do think Mao was a strategic genius (although I do consider him evil)

 

[vi-va]

Honestly, I think he was a hedonist who just was pursuing a weird thrill....

you have a correct description of him.... he was a person pursuing some kind of weird thrill- he didn't really have strategy and that was why he was killed in Bolivia..... I hate Mao but I do think Mao was a strategic genius (although I do consider him evil)

China has been dead one without Mao. You truly need to know the details between 1927-1935 to make a judgement.

 

[jamahir]

Che was a villain!

Why ??

Go to Latin America and tell people you support Che..... it is true that he has some supporters but a lot of people will think you are crazy

At least in Cuba, Bolivia and Venezuela he is looked upon as a hero.

The translation button ( "CC" ) gives Spanish wording and not English.

it's funny (in a sad way)..... he talked so much about yankee imperialists but how many actual yankee imperialists did he kill? He killed a bunch of Latin Americans for the sake of an ideology which is utterly foreign to Latin people

Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales both are Native Americans and they promoted Socialism.

Che Guevara is a loser, few admire him if not nobody. Even when China was in Chairman Mao's era, we never agree with Che Guevara. He has no plan, no organization, no principle, no strategic thinking, such a loser.

He wanted to export the Cuban experiment in Socialist victory to places as far apart as Congo and India. Had he lived more, he would have achieved some of that.

Tell me, is Mao as much a global icon as Che ?? I agree that in India the fighting Socialist movement called the Naxalites derive inspiration from Mao's ideas, and are thus also called "Maoists", but I don't see them winning their battle any soon.

Chinese think strategically, not as short sighted as Che Guevara.

Sorry to say but other than China participating in the Korea War on the side of North Korea, what has been China's contribution to global Socialism / Internationalism ??

 

[beijingwalker]

Sorry to say but other than China participating in the Korea War on the side of North Korea, what has been China's contribution to global Socialism / Internationalism ??

China saved communism, and proves that it can be a successful alternative system. without China, communist would be dead with USSR.

 

[vi-va]

He wanted to export the Cuban experiment in Socialist victory to places as far apart as Congo and India. Had he lived more, he would have achieved some of that.

Tell me, is Mao as much a global icon as Che ?? I agree that in India the fighting Socialist movement called the Naxalites derive inspiration from Mao's ideas, and are thus also called "Maoists", but I don't see them winning their battle any soon.

An Icon is nothing. Reality of history and imagination of history are different things.
Mao built New China, the People's Republic of China, the revival of China civilization. Built the PLA, the CCP.
Che legacy is nothing, but a fairy tale. I said, he was advertised too much as like Mandra. (I may add Gandhi, but that will offend Indians). The more you worship those Icons, you more you stopped thinking strategically.

Sorry to say but other than China participating in the Korea War on the side of North Korea, what has been China's contribution to global Socialism / Internationalism ??

Just read the history if you want to know.
Karl Max, Lenin, Stalin not only lead the revolution in practice, but also wrote down their theory, and thoughts to push the movement to further. Lenin and Stalin built the USSR, from an agriculture country to super power.

Mao defeated external enemies, like Japan and 18 countries with inferior weapons, also defeated internal enemies, like KMT. In Mao's lifetime, he use much less resource, backward weapons relatively, defeated his enemies, militarily and politically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March

Mao is a theorist, philosophy.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/index.htm

Mao is economist, he industrialized China. His achievement is much bigger than Deng Xiaoping. He just got demonized, so people ourside China don't know.

Mao developed Nuclear Bomb in 1964, Hydrogen Bomb in 1967 before France, ICBM. China economy was much weaker than India before independence.

I can go on and on, his achievement can NOT be listed here, I need 100 pages at least.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

China has been dead one without Mao. You truly need to know the details between 1927-1935 to make a judgement.

The man was evil. There is physical death but there is spiritual death as well. Communism is spiritual death.

 

[vi-va]

The man was evil. There is physical death but there is spiritual death as well. Communism is spiritual death.

Yes, evil to his enemies, but savior of Chinese.

 

[beijingwalker]

The man was evil.

Evil for the westerners, Great for the Chinese.

 

[jamahir]

Honestly, I think he was a hedonist who just was pursuing a weird thrill

If he was just seeking thrills he would have joined the military of his country, Argentina.

I can go on and on, his achievement can NOT be listed here, I need 100 pages at least.

Mao was good for China, but I am asking what has the PRC done for International Socialism ??

Okay, I accept that North Korea's main backer is the PRC. The other being Russia.

I can clearly say that Muammar Gaddafi not only made Libya prosperous but he gave the world The Green Book which contains the Third Universal Theory also called the Jamahiriya theory. The political arrangement written in The Green Book can be applied to any society and is basically a Direct Democracy arrangement. Please read here.

 

[beijingwalker]

Mao was good for China, but I am asking what has the PRC done for International Socialism ??

Many people were inspired by Mao during his time around the world, even know many countries still have Maoist activists half a century after his death.

 

[vi-va]

If he was just seeking thrills he would have joined the military of his country, Argentina.



Mao was good for China, but I am asking what has the PRC done for International Socialism ??

Okay, I accept that North Korea's main backer is the PRC. The other being Russia.

I can clearly say that Muammar Gaddafi not only made Libya prosperous but he gave the world The Green Book which contains the Third Universal Theory also called the Jamahiriya theory. The political arrangement written in The Green Book can be applied to any society and is basically a Direct Democracy arrangement. Please read here.

Gaddafi? You must be kidding me.

 

[beijingwalker]

Mao is the inspiration for the world poor , persecuted and underprivileged.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

At least in Cuba, Bolivia and Venezuela he is looked upon as a hero.

Well in Cuba if you question him, I mean you could probably get in trouble.

Also, if we were to poll Bolivians and Venezuelans and they responded honestly, I doubt the majority would approve of Che Guevara. The masses in Bolivia were fed up with Evo Morales due to him trying to rig election results. Latin Americans have minds of their own, their not just mindless robots programmed by the CIA. Latin Americans have their own values, history and culture and Communism is alien to the traditional values of Latin Americans. Also, people were simply fed up with Evo Morales trying to rig election results.

The translation button ( "CC" ) gives Spanish wording and not English.

Well I mean that's the difference. I don't need subtitles. If you learn Spanish and talk to Latin Americans, I think you'll see that the majority of Latin Americans are not in favor of Communism.

Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales both are Native Americans and they promoted Socialism.

So what? I think this particular line of argument is racist and offensive. I mean you can just hold up token members of whatever race and claim they represent their entire race? Indigenous people in Latin America have their own cultures and are traditionally not materialists. They have a very spiritual vision. Both of the people you mentioned were or are millionaires. I mean yes you can pay people millions of dollars to sacrifice their countrymen for the sake of alien ideologies that the people don't actually care about but that doesn't make them representative of the entire people.

During the time when the British colonized India, the British could have held up Indians who were pro-British. Would that mean that those represent their entire race and that therefore the British can colonize India? If I find some Indians who were pro-British this means that they represent all Indians and British should rule India?

Yes, evil to his enemies, but savior of Chinese.

Only if Chinese don't have souls. If Chinese have souls and are not composed merely of physical existence, then I think I'm right. If Chinese don't have souls and only exist physically and lack a spiritual existence as even Lao Tzu and traditional Chinese thinkers would have recognized- then I suppose you have a point.

It hinges on whether Chinese have souls or not. I believe that Chinese do have souls and I think the Chinese prior to the 20th century for thousands of years had some understanding of the spiritual nature of existence.

Mao is the inspiration for the world poor , persecuted and underprivileged.

Mao was the inspiration for terrorists in Peru and for a living nightmare for Peruvians.

The inspiration for the poor, persecuted and underprivileged is religion. The poorest people in the world tend to be the most religious. It's actually the "bourgeosie" who tend to be the commies. It's true that some poor might find revolutionary Communists inspiring in terms of their rhetoric but those populations also tend to be overwhelmingly religious and don't believe in materialism which is the philosophical basis of commie ideology.

 

[jamahir]

Many people were inspired by Mao during his time around the world, even know many countries still have Maoist activists half a century after his death.

I agree that the PRC ( and Mao ) inspired Maoist activists in India, who are still fighting the State but have not won, but surely you will admit that even little Cuba has done much more than PRC. For example, in the Angola war Cuba sent tens of thousands of fighters.

Also, can you tell me why did the PRC side against the Socialist Afghanistan government in the Afghan war of the 80s ??

Lastly, to more recent events, why did the PRC not support the Socialist governments / systems of Syria and Libya during the 2011 invasion by NATO ?? The Syria war is going on still now but we don't see the PRC providing any military support to the Syrian government forces.

Gaddafi? You must be kidding me.

What's wrong with Gaddafi ??

Latin Americans have minds of their own, their not just mindless robots programmed by the CIA.

Come on, it is the CIA which is supporting Juan Guaido, the opponent of the current Socialist president of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro.

The inspiration for the poor, persecuted and underprivileged is religion.

In India, the "educated", middle classes among the Hindus and Muslims have been the most religious of the masses. The BJP for Hindus and the Tableeghi Jamaat for the Muslims.

Indigenous people in Latin America have their own cultures and are traditionally not materialists. They have a very spiritual vision.

True Socialism is the most spiritual path that humans can take. True Socialism seeks a harmonious society.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

By immortality do you mean biologically in natural human form or perhaps just the brain which is contained in some machine form ??

Perhaps in either way, as long as the mankind can retain its consciousness for eternity, it is a realization of the immortality, and each person can create its own universe and become its own ruler.