Iran’s Turning into India’s Proxy by Taunting and Threatening Pakistan?

[Safriz]

Irani Generals bark like dogs on Pakistna but despirte Pakistan creating no hurdles Iran wont build a border fence or Wall?
#Because they want to infiltration to continue and keep posing as victims for sympathies from Pakistani Shias.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Maybe they are afraid we can help KSA jump start their nuclear program like we helped them. Lol.



Great post, I agree 100%. Iranian regime with Rouhani has gone into full sectarian mode. They see everything in the world as Sunni/evil and Shia/good. There is not a single Sunni state of value whom they share good ties with anymore.

The internal power structure in Iran has failed to keep the sectarian radicals under control, and the US instigated it by invading Afg/Iraq, and by meddling in Syria, Yemen. Maybe this is what the US wanted to begin with.

The biggest threat from Iran to the US, Israel, and India is if it abandons its sectarian outlook on the world and forms alliances with its neighbors (Pak/Turk) and even the Arabs. They will do everything to inflame our divisions, and Iran is center stage.

We can see this clearly, but I hope the Iranian public and some courageous Iranian government officials, intellectuals will lead their country in the right direction and hold their leaders to account.

Things have gotten heated on PDF recently between Pakistani and Iranian members over Pakistan-Iranian relations many ad-homimems being used and discusting sectarian non-sense being peddled by both sides and the Iranian statements from Tehran are not helping but I like that Islamabad is level-headed and not listening to the Pro-Saudi/Gulfie Hawks we cannot afford to have cordial relations with Iran to turn sour and this is not based "muslim ummah" bro talk but on maintaining some form cordialty we dont want another Afghanistan on our frontiers.I place the blame on both on Iran and KSA however mostly on KSA, KSA for too long was Yankee forward base in the Mid-East and followed the whole diatribe that "ebil" "Iran" majossi and frankly the Saudis cause wahhabism to flow like fire and Iran had to react to that, Yankee benefits from this they want both Iran and KSA to be destroyed and we the fools in Pakistan are throwing insults and being hawkish towards Iran, Rouhani is scumbag but he is kept in check from Khamanei which is good I hope the so called Reformists will be purged soon as they want Iran to be sold to Yankee and India, hopefully someone like Ahmedinejad will come back and lead Iran back in the mean time Pakistan must choke the Indian and Iranian presence in Afghanistan ASAP with full backing of the Taliban this will fully choke from Chabahar and Iran will be forced to get closer to Pakistan.As for KSA getting Nukes as some posters here suggest I SAY HELL NO Pakistan should be the only country in the Islamic world to have Nukes we can use if for our own leverage if others in the Islamic world have it you will have cut throat conflicts for influence worse than what we have now

 

[HAIDER]

Iran should secure its border. If our side is weak or less number of guards...sorry. Keep your men vigilant ...Now a days , every country is responsible of its border security within borderline ...

 

[Yankee-stani]

One thing will never change; you, me, Pakistan, Turkey and Iran are ajnabiyy for the Arabians of the GCC. Something that always will stay this way unless we've become wealthier than they are.

Nevertheless, we should remind ourselves from time to time that we've made grave mistakes, too. And by we I mean Pakistan-Turkey-Iran. We are the centre of the Turko-Persian world which is a natural counterweight to the Arab world.

It is very similar to the centuries-old contest between the Anglo-Saxon and the Franco-German denominations of the idea that is called the Western world.

Wahhabism could spread and roam freely in the Islamic world just because it had no cultural barrage, no competition, no path of trial and tribulation due to the absence of the rival. Just like the Arabs, we have failed miserably. It's just a different kind of failure.

The fact that Pakistan is dependent on GCC resources is a sad but brutal testament of this second biggest misdo within the boundaries of the Islamic world.

@Indus Pakistan

This is where I disagree with you.

Pakistan needs to form a functioning institutional network with Turkey and Iran; not with the GCC. The Eastern Islamic world needs to reconnect to each other.

We have everything; resources (Iran), nuclear bombs (Pakistan), connection to the centre of capitalism and geopolitical advantage (Turkey). We're 400 million people, the last Khilafat and the heart of the Shia world, we have land boundaries etc.

We have a narrative, a starting point, a story to tell and convince people. We've the Arab-Shia world on the left and the Turkic world on the right to shield us from unwanted influences.

I'm not looking at this from an ideological perspective. If former hereditary enemies like Germany and France can exchange goods worth 200 billion USD annually, we can too.

But I believe that at this point the Iranian regime is the biggest obstacle to this project. And this is where I go back into your line.

Nice analogy @KediKesenFare regarding the European conflicts for influence of both the Anglo/Saxon and the Franco-German but you forgot one more European denomination the Russo/Slavic countries tho weaker did compete with the both Anglo Saxon and Franco German states and I agree 1000 percent the Gulf Arabs are scums and will never look to us non-Arabs as equals but we have to engage with them as their "co-religionists" and they need us somewhat as well economically and politically before the 20th century and the break up of the Ottoman Empire and weakening of the Qajar Dynasty in Iran the Arabs were dominated by the Turks there is reason why the Arabs allied with the Anglos to break up Turkey and Iran was on their sights as well.In the 1960s there should have been efforts to make the RCD a strong and structured union all we got was political sloganering and nice postal stamps after 1979 with Iran isolated due to both Turkey and Pakistan being beholden to Washington it died only to be reborn in the late 1980s and early 1990s as the ECO still an infant and no where close to what it should be unlike @Indus Pakistan thinks I dont see the current Islamic Republic in negative light we failed to engage at the right time(1990s) and the failure of using the Taliban in the early 2000s really showed our incompetence

Very immature comment...

Hawkish folks can blurt farts only

 

[I.R.A]

Pakistan is headed in the right direction with the right leadership at the center, all the sane nations are opening up to accept our narrative. These cries and hollow threats shouldn't distract Pakistan. However, what Pakistan does need to do is avail this opportunity to test the loyalty of many Pakistanis starting with Raza Rabbani.

iran on the other hand, well they should STFU .... the biggest exporters of proxies and terrorists to other regions don't hold any moral ground to blame others. I find it totally ridiculous that they expected Saudis not to respond to their evil designs.

And let me correct the author here, iran can't be tricked by someone like india, it can be willing joint plan and nefarious design but you shouldn't give them this benefit of doubt that they are being played by indians against Pakistan .......... na they are into it own their own and for their own interests. Kalboshan, Uzair, Layari gangsters, media personnel, politicians and that drone which was shot down ...... a friendly country doesn't do all that ......... on the other hand name one living example of Pakistan trying to spy or meddling in iranian affairs? One. Perhaps its time to call spade a spade ....... Pakistan should have known iran, india can never tolerate and live with a peaceful prosperous Pakistan, which cannot be blackmailed ...... there is a reason these iranians here on PDF think that Pakistanis are piss poor illiterate bunch.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan is headed in the right direction with the right leadership at the center, all the sane nations are opening up to accept our narrative. These cries and hollow threats shouldn't distract Pakistan. However, what Pakistan does need to do is avail this opportunity to test the loyalty of many Pakistanis starting with Raza Rabbani.

iran on the other hand, well they should STFU .... the biggest exporters of proxies and terrorists to other regions don't hold any moral ground to blame others. I find it totally ridiculous that they expected Saudis not to respond to their evil designs.

And let me correct the author here, iran can't be tricked by someone like india, it can be willing joint plan and nefarious design but you shouldn't give them this benefit of doubt that they are being played by indians against Pakistan .......... na they are into it own their own and for their own interests. Kalboshan, Uzair, Layari gangsters, media personnel, politicians and that drone which was shot down ...... a friendly country doesn't do all that ......... on the other hand name one living example of Pakistan trying to spy or meddling in iranian affairs? One. Perhaps its time to call spade a spade ....... Pakistan should have known iran, india can never tolerate and live with a peaceful prosperous Pakistan, which cannot be blackmailed ...... there is a reason these iranians here on PDF think that Pakistanis are piss poor illiterate bunch.

Exactly. Close the border with Iran and Pakistan/Afghanistan for a few years. Increase trade and relations with Turkey, Azerbaijan, KSA, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar.

Pretend that Iran doesn’t exist for a while, and only re-establish proper ties when Chahbahar is out of Indian hands.

Take Iran to account about Kulbushan Yadav on the world stage.

 

[Mugwop]

Too many silly assumptions in the article.

Iran is threatened by Israel and KSA. And now Pakistan has joined the list. So any bon homie among these three will come under Iran's eyes. But India isn't anti-Iran, so there's no reason for them to react to what India does with Israel and KSA. This is just common sense. MBS visited China as well.

Any problems between Iran and Pakistan has nothing to do with India.

Many indians on this forum hate iran with a passion.
Pakistan is not iran's enemy but iran is it's own enemy they need to drop the belligerent attitude before someone puts them in their place.

 

[I.R.A]

Pretend that Iran doesn’t exist for a while, and only re-establish proper ties when Chahbahar is out of Indian hands.

They can give Chahbahar and share it with whoever they want ..... Pakistan should stop treating it as sister port and treat it as a competition to Gawadar. Devise strategies to outperform the competition. Rest except for exporting their ideology and using our populace as cannon fodder for their sectarian wars iran hasn't contributed to welfare of Pakistan or Pakistanis, they were there right next to us when we were facing suicide bombing on daily basis, and they did nothing, it was our own effort only that we trapped likes of Kalboshan ....... iran shouldn't hold any value for next Pakistani generation ....... there is nothing of value they can bring to our society .....

 

[Musafir117]

What left behind is ocean
We stupid or clever enough happy to make enemies around

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Many Pakistani shia will commit suicide due to their darling iran being exposed In this thread.

Very nasty comment, I'm surprised at the degradation of this forum due to people like you.

@waz

 

[Yankee-stani]

Exactly. Close the border with Iran and Pakistan/Afghanistan for a few years. Increase trade and relations with Turkey, Azerbaijan, KSA, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar.

Pretend that Iran doesn’t exist for a while, and only re-establish proper ties when Chahbahar is out of Indian hands.

Take Iran to account about Kulbushan Yadav on the world stage.

I dont think closing would do a thing but ignoring Iran is probably the best thing to do and to choke Afghanistan away from Yankee and Pooja is the best option

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Very nasty comment, I'm surprised at the degradation of this forum due to people like you.

@waz

Another sectarian bigot trying to weaken Pakistan, action should be taken.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Another sectarian bigot trying to weaken Pakistan, action should be taken.

Why are Pakistanis online act sectarian whenever I met Pakistanis in real life they never sectarian in fact I think Arabs are more like that

 

[nahtanbob]

Digging A Deeper Hole

Iran recently celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, but instead of marking this momentous occasion by showcasing its sovereign gains over the past four decades, it ended up being manipulated into becoming India’ s proxy and paradoxically undermining the very independence that it’s so proud to have supposedly achieved. The author wrote about this at length in his piece earlier this week about how “Iran’s Being Tricked Into Making Balochistan The New Kurdistan”, explaining that the Islamic Republic’s “deep state” divisions are being masterfully exploited by India in order to turn Iran against Pakistan in the aftermath of a recent terrorist attack along the two Muslim countries’ shared border in the transnational region of Balochistan.
Instead of de-escalating the situation behind the scenes by walking back some of its officials’ anti-Pakistani rhetoric and actively commencing joint anti-terrorist operations like the author suggested that it do in order to make the best out of a bad situation, Major General Qassem Soleimani – the famed commander of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) – upped the ante by taunting and threatening Pakistan, proving that Iran is indeed on the path of becoming India’s proxy and apparently has no problem with this. His words dealt enormous damage to Pakistani-Iranian relations after he called into question the professionalism of his neighbor’s armed forces and portrayed the country as being on the brink of dissolution.

Soleimani’s Statement

Here are his abridged comments as reported by the Fars News Agency:

“We have always offered Pakistan help in the region, but I have this question from the Pakistani government: where are you heading to? You have caused unrest along borders with all your neighbors and do you have any other neighbor left that you want to stir insecurity for?

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Are you, who have atomic bombs, unable to destroy a terrorist group with several hundred members in the region? How many of your own people have been killed in different terrorist operations? We do not want your condolences, how could your condolence help the people of Iran?

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I tell the Pakistani people that the Saudi cash has influenced Pakistan and they want to destroy Pakistan with such measures.

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I warn you not to test Iran and anyone who has tested Iran has received firm response. We are speaking to Pakistan with a friendly tone and we are telling that country not to allow their borders to become a source of insecurity for the neighboring countries; anyone who has made this plot for Pakistan is seeking to disintegrate that country, the Islamic Republic of Iran will take revenge of its martyrs from those mercenaries who have committed this crime no matter where they are in the world.”

Soleimani’s statement revealed a lot about Iran’s current outlook and deserves to be analyzed in depth.

Interpreting Iran’s Intentions

Firstly, Soleimani implied that Pakistan backstabbed Iran after he said that Tehran always offered to help it, after which he remarked that Islamabad is responsible for regional unrest. The General then taunted the Pakistani Armed Forces by rhetorically asking why their nuclear weapons can’t defeat a small armed group that’s supposedly operating within its borders, despite knowing fully well that those armaments are irrelevant when dealing with hybrid threats. That was a cheap attack against the military and meant to make it an international laughingstock. He also portrayed Pakistan as hypocritical by reminding it of how many people it lost to this same type of terrorism that he says its government is responsible for, after which he disrespectfully rejected its condolences.

Soleimani then directly addressed the Pakistani people and tried to impugn Prime Minister Khan’s integrity by making it seem as though their leader is concealing an existentially dangerous conspiracy from them that involves Saudi Arabia paying the country to become a regional exporter of terrorism, which he implied the authorities recklessly agreed to even though he arrogantly predicted that this will result in Pakistan’s “disintegration”. He then proceeded to threaten Pakistan while disingenuously assuring it that he’s “speaking with a friendly tone” by promising that his military will “take revenge of its martyrs…no matter where they are in the world”, or in other words, might pull an Indian-like “surgical strike” against its neighbor (whether claiming it did or actually trying to).

Ruining The Regional Balance

Whether Iran realizes it or not, its representatives’ statements – and especially the latest ones from General Soleimani – have reversed the recent progress in bilateral relations with Pakistan and shown the world that their country has been successfully manipulated by a foreign power’s psy-ops into turning against its neighbor. Some members of the Iranian “deep state” probably don’t mind, however, since they might cynically believe that this serves the purpose of distracting their population from their many internal problems that have been exacerbated by the US’ unilateral re-implementation of sanctions and getting them to redirect their critical focus away from Iran’s setbacks in the Mashriq and towards the new externally aggravated fault line with Pakistan instead.


Worse still, all of this is occurring in the context of pronounced Indian-Pakistani tensions after the Pulwama attack, which suggests that Iran’s rhetoric is actually part of India’s regional Hybrid Waragainst Pakistan and further reinforcing the notion that the Islamic Republic has become New Delhi’s proxy against Islamabad. This increasingly hostile state of affairs is making it impossible for Pakistan to maintain its desired balance between Iran and Saudi Arabia and mediate between them like Islamabad previously offered to do. As a result, pro-Saudi sentiment is surging in Pakistani society while previously friendly attitudes towards Iran are rapidly disappearing, which is no one’s fault other than Tehran’s for implementing such an irresponsibly partisan policy against Pakistan.

Indian Strategic Interests

India didn’t manipulate Iran’s response to the artificial security dilemma that the joint Indo-American Hybrid War on CPEC eventually created between it and Pakistan just for the sake of “deep state” satisfaction, but to achieve tangible strategic outcomes that work out to its long-term advantage. The worsening of Pakistani-Iranian relations greatly hinders the creation of the Golden Ring of Multipolar Great Powers between those two Muslim countries, Turkey, Russia, and China, and it gives India a direct inroad into this geopolitical construction’s Central Asian core through the trans-Iranian North-South Transport Corridor’s (NSTC)’s eastern branch. Furthermore, India could take advantage of this situation to obtain basing rights for its navy in Chabahar, as well as pull Iran away from the Taliban.

By unprecedentedly becoming strategically dependent on India, however, Iran is also coming under the indirect influence of its patron’s American and “Israeli” allies too. About that, it can be said that Iran has currently come to share the same position towards Pakistan as India’s two aforementioned allies despite being their sworn enemy after all four of them accused Islamabad of hosting terrorists and being responsible for regional unrest. It’s almost surreal that the Islamic Republic celebrated the 40thanniversary of its revolution by aligning itself with what it refers to as the “Great and Little Satans”, an outcome that was brought about by India’s clandestine “facilitation” and which the Islamic Republic might wrongly believe will relieve their growing pressure upon it.

Dealing With The “Devils’” Best Friend

It’s the height of hypocrisy that Iran is now on the same side as its American and “Israeli” enemies vis-à-vis Pakistan because it’s invested so heavily since the revolution to establish the international reputation that it will always oppose the manifestation of both of their policies on principle. This “politically incorrect” observation draws into question everything that the Iranian leadership said that it stood for since 1979 and confirms that there are indeed “exceptions” to its “principled stance” of never aligning with the “Great and Little Satans”. Apparently, it’s okay to do so as a form of protest against Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman’s (MBS) recent visit to Pakistan and as a sign of appreciation for India’s NSTC investments.

Still, Iran didn’t overreact when MBS went to India afterwards, probably because New Delhi has basically “paid off” Iran with the promise (key word) of those said megaproject investments as a form of implicit sanctions relief. This, however, ignores the fact that the US’ NSTC sanctions waiver to Indiaand Saudi Arabia’s planned energy deals with it both work out to the Islamic Republic’s long-term detriment by making it so that New Delhi achieves historically unparalleled “good cop/bad cop” influence over its economy. Tellingly, while Iran harshly criticizes Saudi Arabia for its secret ties with “Israel”, it’s silent about Modi publicly strolling with Netanayhu barefoot on a Mediterranean beach in summer 2017, proving how “exceptional” Iran regards India as being.

Russia To The Rescue?

While it might seem like all hope is lost in Pakistani-Iranian relations after the latter danced along to America’s strategic choreography by becoming India’s proxy in exchange for the promise (key word) of de-facto sanctions relief, there’s a chance that Russia’s recent return to the region can at the very least stop the situation from reaching rock bottom. Russia is regarded as being just as “exceptional” as India is in Iran’s eyes and therefore “allowed” to enjoy high-level strategic relations with both of the Islamic Republic’s “Israeli” and Saudi foes (despite growing Russian-Iranian disagreements over Syria) because Tehran considers Moscow to be an irreplaceable “pressure valve” by virtue of its geography, impending free trade deal, and a possible $5 billion loan.

Russia is so indispensable to Iran that there’s no way that Tehran could pressure Moscow to suspend its planned $10 billion undersea pipeline between itself, Pakistan, and India until Pakistani-Iranian relations improve. Nor, for that matter, could it stop Russian businessmen from using the NSTC to facilitate their country’s trade with Pakistan, meaning that Moscow is unquestionably in a position to “balance” between both Muslim Great Powers in accordance with its envisaged 21st-century grand strategy and therefore keep the situation from spiraling out of control. In fact, Russia might even be able to exert some “moderating influence” over Iran and get it to reconsider its current hostility against Pakistan, which could eventually set the basis for it to broker a rapprochement.

Concluding Thoughts

Iran was surprisingly manipulated on the occasion of none other than the 40thanniversary of its revolution into abandoning its commitment to independent policies and becoming India’s proxy instead, which it did in response to New Delhi’s wildly successful psy-op after a recent terrorist attack and in exchange for the promise (key word) of de-facto sanctions relief. IRGC commander General Soleimani publicly taunted and threatened Pakistan as a sign of fealty to his country’s new patron, which ruined any chances of Islamabad mediating between Tehran and Riyadh like it previously offered to do in pursuit of regional peace and incredibly aligned the Islamic Republic with its American and “Israeli” enemies, all of which works out to India’s ultimate strategic benefit.

All isn’t lost, however, since Russia could conceivably leverage its impressive influence over Iran and hefty investments in its economy (both current and forthcoming) to ensure that Pakistani-Iranian relations stabilize and avoid reaching rock bottom, though it’ll still remain immensely difficult for Moscow to counteract New Delhi’s influence and get Tehran to improve its ties with Islamabad in the near future. As unbelievable as it may sound, “Israel’s” Haaretz almost got the regional state of affairs right when it released an article titled “Pakistan Just Became Saudi Arabia’s Client State, and Turned Its Back on Tehran”, except they mixed up the subjects and it should have been that “Iran Just Became India’s Client State, and Turned Its Back on Islamabad”.

This article was originally published on Eurasia Future.

Andrew Korybko is an American Moscow-based political analyst specializing in the relationship between the US strategy in Afro-Eurasia, China’s One Belt One Road global vision of New Silk Road connectivity, and Hybrid Warfare. He is a frequent contributor to Global Research.

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@saiyan0321 @I.R.A @Arsalan @Starlord @Mentee

When I see words like hybrid warfare I should realize it is the Korybko dude.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why are Pakistanis online act sectarian whenever I met Pakistanis in real life they never sectarian in fact I think Arabs are more like that

I notice that most of these sectarians come from one ethnic group and one city in Pakistan. Our government should really do something about it.