Iran celebrates 13th victory anniversary of Hezbollah over IDF with photo of burning IDF tank

[Goku]

Iran's issue with Israel is an ideological one. The islamists who seized power in Iran after the Islamic revolution had a very radical islamic ideology whereby they wanted to export their version of Islam and revolution throughout the region and bring 'REAL ISLAM' to all countries in the region(funny enough if that had happened today, the whole internaltional community would have considered them like ISIS and probably intervened to topple them, luckily enough 1979 and 2019 are quite different era's and Iran is now fighting Islamists in Syria today funny enough. lol). Moreover the best way they could also legitimise their power in Iran and gain regional sympathy was to target Israel(something almost all Muslims agree with and are very emotional about).Its not like Israel was an existential threat Iran, if anything Iran and Israel had no issues prior to the Islamists/Mullahs taking over power in Iran.

True these leaders legitimise their own rule by scapegoating Israel while Israelis played a game and these pawns started fighting each other lol ,when their fight will end whoever wins becomes the powerful in the muslim world and reserves the sole right to attack israel while Israel keeps moving forward

 

[raptor22]

Hezbollah won the war no dispute over that ...

 

[mike2000 is back]

True these leaders legitimise their own rule by scapegoating Israel while Israelis played a game and these pawns started fighting each other lol ,when their fight will end whoever wins becomes the powerful in the muslim world and reserves the sole right to attack israel while Israel keeps moving forward

Yes, but that's not the whole point. It's true that each player in the middle East uses Israel when needed to legitimise their own position,power and interests in the region when needed. However, the main thing is that for the big players i.e Iran/KSA/Turkey Israel is only used to further their interests when needed and to serve other geo political objectives in the region. At the end of the day each of this regional powers want to be the dominant regional power in the region and they use or support many groups/leaders in the region to further their own interests and objectives(which is normal in geo politics to be honest). However, this is a very difficult thing to achieve, since all of them are almost equal in power and influence(even though KSA has an advantage given their religious influence throughout the Arab and Islamic world and their massive oil and gas reserves which gives them ample resources to sponsor and support their objectives and also gives them more influence over world powers), so the difference between them isn't that big to make a difference(since each power has their strengths and weaknesses, thus it's world powers that dominate the region better). So this leads to more instability coupled with sectarianism and differences in interests. So Israel is just another extra in this long complex conflict between countries in the region.

 

[Goku]

Yes, but that's not the whole point. It's true that each player in the middle East uses Israel when needed to legitimise their own position,power and interests in the region when needed. However, the main thing is that for the big players i.e Iran/KSA/Turkey Israel is only used to further their interests when needed and to serve other geo political objectives in the region. At the end of the day each of this regional powers want to be the dominant regional power in the region and they use or support many groups/leaders in the region to further their own interests and objectives(which is normal in geo poltiitcs). However, this is a very difficult thing to achieve, since all of them are almost equal in power and influence(even though KSA has an advantage given their religious influence throughout the Arab and Islamic world), so the difference between them isn't that big to make a difference. So this leads to more instability coupled with sectarianism and differences in interests. So Israel is just another extra in this long complex conflict between countries in the region.

Yes absolutely Israel is just part of their game but Israel smartly uses all of them tp secure its interest , it annexed Golan heights of Syria now , slowly increasing settlements in west bank
Both Saudis and Iranians compete for supremacy in the muslim world whereas Turkey cites erstwhile Ottoman legacy to project their power
This will continue until the other two states concede their claims.
Libya , Iraq , Syria were all potential competitors to these 3 states and all are in ruins now
Its all about projection of power and supremacy of the state along with sphere of influence

 

[Hack-Hook]

It hit the crane.


These bases are established to attack Israel. Don't attack Israel and no one will touch u.

yes that is the damage caused by 20kg of explossive hit the crane not 200kg of explossive hit the crane now you come and say it hit the crane but did not explode .
by the way if we gave hezbollah what they used , we better than anybody knew what we gave them and we stated it was kowsar not C-802 , the damage to the ship only can be a c-802 if you accept a harpoon hitting the crane only made that dent in the body of the ship

These bases are established to attack Israel. Don't attack Israel and no one will touch u.

Proof ?
and so you are accepting you are the stater of the war if Iran retaliate for attacking those syrian bases .
by the way why only syrian dies when you attack those bases ?

 

[mike2000 is back]

Yes absolutely Israel is just part of their game but Israel smartly uses all of them tp secure its interest , it annexed Golan heights of Syria now , slowly increasing settlements in west bank
Both Saudis and Iranians compete for supremacy in the muslim world whereas Turkey cites erstwhile Ottoman legacy to project their power
This will continue until the other two states concede their claims.
Libya , Iraq , Syria were all potential competitors to these 3 states and all are in ruins now
Its all about projection of power and supremacy of the state along with sphere of influence

I'm not sure if Israel has much of a choice either. They are basically surrounded by hostile countries who would have wiped them out of existence if they had the upper hand as well. So they had to militarise pretty quickly after their country was established. A they say necessity is the mother of all inventions. This has led to Israel being a major military power with wide ranging top of the line military products which they use/test frequently(an advantage many powers don't have) in the region when their interests/survival is threatened, reason they are among the world top military exporter(the only small country and the only country outside the West/Russia and China to be among the top 10). I don't think they would have developed such a wide range of military equipment if they were not surrounded by hostile powers with whom they have fought several survival wars as well.
The 6 days wars you mentioned was a good example of one, since they were also attacked and had to retaliate and defeated all those countries and seized Golan's heights after defeating the Syrians. To be honest i don't see why they should return it, in conflicts, it's winners takes all (if they can). I don't think Syria would have returned their land if they defeated Israel and took control over part of Israel's land as well. lol Same with how Russia kept control of much of Japans land after seizing it (Kurils islands) from them after WWII to this day. So fair enough in my opinion. lol
Israel had no role in Libya or Syria falling into their current predicament. They have themselves and leaderships to blame for their failed policies and people rising up against them. Egypt would have fallen into the same situation if their army hadn't stopped themselves from following their leaders orders to kill their own people during mass protests against their regimes.

 

[Goku]

I'm not sure if Israel has much of a choice either. They are basically surrounded by hostile countries who would have wiped them out of existence if they had the upper hand as well. So they had to militarise pretty quickly after their country was established. A they say necessity is the mother of all inventions. This has led to Israel being a major military power with wide ranging top of the line military products which they use/test frequently in the region when their interests/survival is threatened, reason they are among the world top military exporter(the only small country and the only country outside the West/Russia and China to be among the top 10). I don't think they would have developed such a wide range of military equipment if they were not surrounded by hostile powers with whom they have fought several survival wars as well.
The 6 days wars you mentioned was a good example of one, since they were also attacked and had to retaliate and defeated all those countries and seized Golan's heights after defeating the Syrians. To be honest i don't see why they should return it, in conflicts, it's winners takes all (if they can). I don't think Syria would have returned their land if they defeated Israel and took control over part of Israel's land as well. lol Same with how Russia kept control of much of Japans land after seizing it (sakhalin islands) from them after the WWII to this day. So fair enough in my opinion. lol
Israel had no role in Libya or Syria falling into their current predicament. They have themselves and leaderships to blame for their policies and people rising up against them. Egypt would have fallen into the same situation if their army hadn't stopped themselves from following their leaders orders to kill their own people during mass protests against their regimes.

Six day war was bitter slap on Israels neighbours lol , such a tiny nation of less than 10 million yet they are blamed for all the problems in the world , so funny

 

[mike2000 is back]

Six day war was bitter slap on Israels neighbours lol , such a tiny nation of less than 10 million yet they are blamed for all the problems in the world , so funny

They are a 'tiny nation' of 8 million not 10. lol They do have a small population but they are a giant in several fields(science,military,technology, etc) so population doesn't always means everything, leadership/governance/political system is always more important.
As for blaming everything on Israel, well as i said before leaders in the region often do so to further their own power,legitimacy,interests and geo political objectives. Many of them know this, but the general population isn't always aware of the complex behind the scenes games governments/leaders/countries engage in, so they tend to take what leaders say at a face value, especially when it concerns a topic which they are really emotional about. So don't take that too seriously.

 

[500]

yes that is the damage caused by 20kg of explossive hit the crane not 200kg of explossive hit the crane now you come and say it hit the crane but did not explode .
by the way if we gave hezbollah what they used , we better than anybody knew what we gave them and we stated it was kowsar not C-802 , the damage to the ship only can be a c-802 if you accept a harpoon hitting the crane only made that dent in the body of the ship

Missile is designed to hit deck not crane. Simply Khamenaists made poor copy of Chinese misile. Nasrallah in his speech was sure that he sunk the ship.

Proof ?
and so you are accepting you are the stater of the war if Iran retaliate for attacking those syrian bases .
by the way why only syrian dies when you attack those bases ?

Assad and Nasrallah threaten new front line in Golan

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...new-front-line-in-golan-idUSBRE9490P620130510

Not only Syrian die there.

Iran and Assad also openly arm Hezbollah which is illegal according to UN Sec Council Resolution 1701.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Missile is designed to hit deck not crane. Simply Khamenaists made poor copy of Chinese misile. Nasrallah in his speech was sure that he sunk the ship.

I don't care about the missile , I say explode 200kg of explossive on crane and explode it . I'd like you to see what will happen.
Iran said it was Kowsar so it was kowsar and the damage support the narative that it was Kowsar

Assad and Nasrallah threaten new front line in Golan

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...new-front-line-in-golan-idUSBRE9490P620130510

Not only Syrian die there.

Iran and Assad also openly arm Hezbollah which is illegal according to UN Sec Council Resolution 1701.

Assad and his father kept that frontline Quiet for 40 years . what happened after 40 years that their narrative changed ? have you ever asked yourself that ? have you ever looked at what you did in last 1-2 years ? have you ever considred you action will have consequences ?

 

[500]

I don't care about the missile , I say explode 200kg of explossive on crane and explode it . I'd like you to see what will happen.
Iran said it was Kowsar so it was kowsar and the damage support the narative that it was Kowsar

C802 does not have any 200 kg explosives.
In open space explosive effect falls very fast.

Assad and his father kept that frontline Quiet for 40 years . what happened after 40 years that their narrative changed ? have you ever asked yourself that ? have you ever looked at what you did in last 1-2 years ? have you ever considred you action will have consequences ?

Article is from 2013 and Assad father did not allow any Hezbollah and IRGC bases in Syria.

He was a butcher and terrorist, but he was smart unlike his inbred son.

 

[Hack-Hook]

C802 does not have any 200 kg explosives.
In open space explosive effect falls very fast.

it uses a 190 kg high-explosive fragmentation warhead

Article is from 2013 and Assad father did not allow any Hezbollah and IRGC bases in Syria.

He was a butcher and terrorist, but he was smart unlike his inbred son.

there was no bases there when your bombing started , what really changed was that syria become occupied by cannibals