Iran celebrates 13th victory anniversary of Hezbollah over IDF with photo of burning IDF tank

[Falcon29]

It's more like a stalemate for both sides. In the Middle East, however, many people consider a statement against Israel to be a victory. Hezbollah wasn't expecting a full war and Israel rushed into a wide spread air and ground campaign. Hezbollah was underdog and needed to step up to the plate after their assessments of no Israeli ground op turned out to be wrong. They did step up to the plate and made Israel pay a price. Israel on other hand sought to damage Lebanon's infrastructure severely and nothing could stop that. Hezbollah lacked air defense and offensive firepower.

Nowadays they have offensive firepower and their proposed solution to destructive Israeli strikes against Lebanon's infrastructure in future war is to invade northern Israel. As well as use precision missiles against Israeli infrastructure. I believe them that they can do temporary invasion of Northern Israel. I do not know what is up with their air defense and if Syria will assist them in such a future conflict. As Syrian AA can target Israeli jets over Lebanese airspace. I do not know if those precision missiles can actually overcome Israeli defense missile systems.

The only way an conflict will erupt is if US and allies do attack Iran in future. Hezbollah will want to go on offensive immediately. Israel has sufficient air force to deal with Syria and Lebanon at the same time. Especially since US forces are still based in Syria. If Iranian forces and/or other militias in Syria get involved , they will likely come under attack by US Air Force. Assuming it is a regional war. Then the question is will Russia tolerate US strikes around the Damascus area, and if they coordinate with the US then Hezbollah will be at an disadvantage. Israel has a really big Air Force and has more than enough firepower to deal with multiple scenarios.

Iran might try firing at Israel too, but we really don't know enough about their capabilities. It is a war that all sides want to avoid because of new complexities/tensions in region. Back in 2006 it was a 1v1 scenario, in 2019 that will not be the case.

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To add more, so if Iran does enrich 20% within 2 months, it's likely US and allies will consult and try forming some sort of coalition. If there really is a war, then everything I said will happen. And how Russia will deal with scenario is a big deal. What kind of limited steps can they take. And also for the US, maybe they will just let Israel conduct strikes in Syria and try to keep Syria status quo as it is. Syria will make matters more complex. Israeli public will not stomach war of attrition well, especially if it is actually deadly for them. They aren't the Israeli's of 1973. They really on technological gaps and overwhelming firepower. Shia's(with exception of Iran and maybe Houthi's) in region cannot take war of attrition well either. Especially if Russia abandons them in event of regional war. Sunni axis is least prepared for such regional war and it will be ugly for them in the beginning. Some Arab regimes may collapse. Regular Sunni's will step in unconstrained by regimes. Sunnis will be in control of North Africa, all of Hejaz, Syria and Israel by the end of any such war as they can handle factors of war of attrition the best. Iraq and Iran will be left alone.

 

[YeBeWarned]

In order to determine who won you should compare situation before and after war.

Before the war:

Hezbollah has 100% free hand in South Lebanon, they did not allow even Lebanese army there.
Hezbollah was attacking Israel on regular basis, killing and injuring Israelis.

After the war:

Hezbollah lost free hand in South Lebanon. Lebanese army and strong UN force was set there.
Hezbollah attacks against Israel stopped.
Hezbollah bunkers in South Lebanon were destroyed, Hezbollah suffered several billion $ damage.

my friend how does Hezbullah gets billions of dollars worth infrastructure to begin with ?

 

[sammuel]

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Iran habit of attacking other countries while hiding behind proxies , is well known. They really don't need to publicize it any further.

Israel had to deal with it for years.

But recently they thought it wise , to add Saudi to the list of countries they attack .A big mistake to attack the world largest exporter of oil. The result is part of the reason for the sanctions we see today. Trump already declared that not just the nuclear issue is on the table but also Iran's policy of threatening and attacking its neighbors via proxies.

It is clear the sanctions are biting and Iran is making risky moves in the hope of changing something in her position , but that may lead to a military response from the US.

Now Iran is trying to threaten Israel with retaliation. It reminds me of when Saddam attacked us during the gulf war.

It did not help him and it would not help Iran.

The decision whether to attack Iran militarily lays in Washington anyway , not in Israel .


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[aziqbal]

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Iran habit of attacking other countries while hiding behind proxies , is well known. They really don't need to publicize it any further.

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whats wrong with that I don't see any issue with that

why should Iran fight a war the with Israel the way Israel wants to? are you also going to define the way your opponent fights and also define the rules>? does Iran owe anything to Israel like US or do you simply think that Iran is stupid?

Iran will fight on there terms that best suite it, that is using proxies and various strings they have throughout the middle east, they have Israel circled and also many weapons storage and very loyal insurgents which could be let lose when the time comes

you cannot define how your opponent will fight, its like me setting up a boxing match and saying to the other guy tie one arm behind your back, its war and you don't get to set the rules

like I said before you have been fighting kids for too long leave real fighting to the real men

 

[500]

my friend how does Hezbullah gets billions of dollars worth infrastructure to begin with ?

From Iran of course.

 

[YeBeWarned]

From Iran of course.

Don't you think the billion dollar figure is a little bit exaggerated ?

 

[500]

like I said before you have been fighting kids for too long leave real fighting to the real men

Its Iran who is fighting kids in Syria.

Don't you think the billion dollar figure is a little bit exaggerated ?

Not at all. They get about a billion dollars a year from Iran.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Destruction on Syria was planned right after Hezbollah rebelled the Israel onslaught. The powers that be put so much pressure on Syria to severe with Hezbollah and all of the resistance groups in the Arab world. When Syrian government rejected the pressure, plans for its destruction was put in motion. We can all see the tragedy that has unfolded in beloved Syria and the larger Arab world.

Here you will get noobs telling you that Israel did so much more damage... and so on.

Fortunately, real strategic thinkers analyze things on a way more mature scale. The real question of victory vs. defeat can only be examined through the lens of intended goals/objectives. Israel probably thought it would be a walk in the park --- after losing soldiers and tanks and videos of dead and bloodied bodies being brought back to Israel on Israeli TV started doing the rounds, things changed pretty quickly. Hezbollah also claimed they had intercepted Israeli comms multiple times (CIA officer Robert Baer also mentions this in his book --- probably one of the most experienced authorities on Hezbollah and the region.) So, Israel withdrew and Lebanon successfully defended itself from an invasion, despite losing much more in terms of statistics (infrastructure, etc.) War, however, is more than just statistics. In my view, Lebanon won because it succeeded in its main objective of defending itself and repulsing the invasion and Israel lost because it withdrew.

 

[sammuel]

whats wrong with that I don't see any issue with that

why should Iran fight a war the with Israel the way Israel wants to?

Good question but let me simplify that even more.

Why should Iran attack Israel at all ?

It is a country 1500 miles away , we never attacked them , it is the mullahs that attack us for some insane Islamic propaganda purpose to keep themselves in power.

See my point ?

Destruction on Syria was planned right after Hezbollah rebelled the Israel onslaught. The powers that be put so much pressure on Syria to severe with Hezbollah and all of the resistance groups in the Arab world. When Syrian government rejected the pressure, plans for its destruction was put in motion. We can all see the tragedy that has unfolded in beloved Syria and the larger Arab world.

Indeed a tragedy .

A dictator massacres his people with the aid of another country - Iran who sends their sponsored terrorist group to kill Syrian ,

yet you somehow try to connect us to that. We have nothing in this conflict kindly don't involve us in your massacre.


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[Hack-Hook]

hizbullah crushed israel and israel bombed lebnon . i watched it day to day hour to hour . it was fun . they kicked israel hard i cant forget haifa attack and israeli navy corvette attack. that bitch was bombing lebnon since hours when she turn and come visible a chines C-802 hit her arse and kaboooooooom i was watching live

That was a kowsar not C-802 . it's destructive power is around 1/10th of a c-802

It is a country 1500 miles away , we never attacked them , it is the mullahs that attack us for some insane Islamic propaganda purpose to keep themselves in power.

It seems our Israeli friends have somehow limited memory.
You are boasting of attacking iranian bases in Syria and killing tens of Iranian personnel there on weekly bases . have you forgot that or all of those photos and news were fake and you admit you were attacking SAA.

 

[Goku]

Six day war showed that what Israel can do militarily and Operation Wrath of God ,Op Entebbe etc showed what it can do covertly
Egypt and Jordan signed peace agreements with Israel
Thos who were chanting death to israel like Iraq, Libya , Syria , Yemen to some extent are in ruins except Iran , now focus is on iran but its too strong internally
Now Israel is just watching circus in the middle east ,when its neighbours are fighting with each other

 

[sammuel]

It seems our Israeli friends have somehow limited memory.
You are boasting of attacking iranian bases in Syria and killing tens of Iranian personnel there on weekly bases . have you forgot that or all of those photos and news were fake and you admit you were attacking SAA.

Come on . Iran has been stockpiling rockets in Lebanon for the last 20 years , long before the Syrian civil war.

Those rockets target civilians and if we did not bomb those rocket shipments , when they arrive in Syria ,they would have targeted our cities.

Israel would not allow Iran to build another base to attack us from Syria, as they do in Lebanon , that is what it is about.

Mullahs have marked us as their enemies 40 years ago , when they came into power. This was part of their ideology and had nothing to do with what Israel do or do not do.

Simply insanity.

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[500]

That was a kowsar not C-802 . it's destructive power is around 1/10th of a c-802

It hit the crane.

It seems our Israeli friends have somehow limited memory.
You are boasting of attacking iranian bases in Syria and killing tens of Iranian personnel there on weekly bases . have you forgot that or all of those photos and news were fake and you admit you were attacking SAA.

These bases are established to attack Israel. Don't attack Israel and no one will touch u.

 

[Big Tank]

Ya Allah help the real Muslims all over the globe just the way you made Hezbollah victorious.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Six day war showed that what Israel can do militarily and Operation Wrath of God ,Op Entebbe etc showed what it can do covertly
Egypt and Jordan signed peace agreements with Israel
Thos who were chanting death to Israel like Iraq, Libya , Syria , Yemen to some extent are in ruins except Iran , now focus is on Iran but its too strong internally
Now Israel is just watching circus in the middle east ,when its neighbours are fighting with each other

Iran's issue with Israel is an ideological one. The islamists who seized power in Iran after the Islamic revolution had a very radical islamic ideology whereby they wanted to export their version of Islam and revolution throughout the region and bring 'REAL ISLAM' to all countries in the region(funny enough if that had happened today, the whole internaltional community would have considered them like ISIS and probably intervened to topple them, luckily enough for them 1979 and 2019 are quite different era's and ironically Iran is now fighting the same types of revolutionary Islamists in Syria today. lol).
Moreover, the best way the Mullahs/islamists could also legitimise their power in Iran and gain regional sympathy was to target Israel(something almost all Muslims agree with and are very emotional about). Its not like Israel was an existential threat Iran, if anything Iran and Israel had no issues prior to the Islamist/Mullahs taking over power in Iran. The same can be said with Iran and KSA/Gulf/Arab states, Their relations were quite good and friendly and there was no real proxy sectarian wars like we see today between both sides. So the Iranian Islamic revolution changed the middle east forever.