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International Court Idea was discussed during Jindal's Murree Visit (mission accomplished)

I don't know but if its true than sharif will find himself in grave rather than KSA this time. army will hang both kalboshan and sharif. last time he was saved but this time army chief is too much aggressive person .
 
The plan remains to separate PA from civil establishment.

It is clearly identified that PA is the stumbling block in normalisation of relations between Pakistan and rest of the region, with Iran moving in to join the bandwagon of 'affected parties'.

It is nothing new. You should actually appreciate that what most idiots cried as 'surgical strike' is not about a military strike, but a socio-politic and economic effort. US has the same view, Afghanistan has no love lost, Iran sees Pakistani moves as being definitive of a pro-GCC posturing (in recent days), and the Chinese steps? Nothing new there or unexpected.

Had said earlier on the forum, Pakistan is being squeezed by the 'brother' which wants to insure it's investment and is willing to negotiate with India. As China increases it's leverage over Pakistan, there is not much Pakistan can do.

You have only scraped the tip. The process has been going on for sometime, and increased instability is but a foregone conclusion.

And it will not be NS' doing.

@nair @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @MilSpec

Sometimes i hate you, but sometimes i wish i had your ability to deduce information.
 
Had said earlier on the forum, Pakistan is being squeezed by the 'brother' which wants to insure it's investment and is willing to negotiate with India. As China increases it's leverage over Pakistan, there is not much Pakistan can do.

What these chaps do not realise is China is not the US. The US at least worried about some sort of civilian issues, even if it was just window dressing. The Chinese have no issues of cutting things to size.

Well, give it 5 years. We will soon start hearing how China is throttling Muslim rights once the honey moon period is over.
 
Your reasons of being hopeless are understandable - but the only institute which has kept Pakistan intact is Army. We just expect a little more from them because they are the only ones we could expect something from.

Have faith. If in Panama, PMLN gets a clean chit, Judicery will get a black chit on their character. They have no choice but to punish the culprit.

Wait and see and keep your hopes alive.

I am just annoyed with our people for keep on repeating the same mistakes over and over again, and expect better results each time.

No doubt army as a institution is the guarantor of our statehood. BUT, its the high ups who are collaborating with the mafia for petty personal gains and dragging the whole country down, not letting it break free from the clutches of political Mafia.

If Army, who historically have a say in the state affairs, has given clean chit to Noora clan in dawngate, what are you expecting from Judiciary who are a newbie when it comes to asserting themselves as institution over state affairs?

Nothing will change unless people come out on streets. I know it will be a messy affair as revolution cause mayhem and anarchy. But that is the only left now.
 
some information has been leaked about the purpose of Indian Steel magnet's unspecified purpose of visit to Nawaz in secret in Murree.
although Sherif family exercised utmost caution to ensure there were no listening devices and the meeting place was checked out by the Indian personnel inside the building and outside the garden but some sketchy , incomplete but consistent contents of the meeting have been acquired by Pakistani military agencies

apparently Jadhav's conviction was discussed along with the idea of taking the case to the international court.

Nawaz Sherif is required "not to respond from Pakistani side" to get verdict in favor of India.
Nwaz Sherif in tun has openly requested Indian help to deviate the attention of GHQ from his government.

India's surprise and bold decision to approach the international court is one such step and also the Indian COAS's threat to attack Pakistan in place and time of its choosing is also expected to give Nawaz Sherif some breathing space due to the hot issue of Panama case.

due to the sensitivity of the information the personnel cant be identified they include some Sherif's internal staff as well as some opportunists who see some political future in case Nawaz decides to escape to India or Dubai in case of Military take over
Pakistan does not need enemy apas main hi kat marenge yeah log. I do not think NS will think bad about Pakistan. Now PA is attacking NS. Wow.
 
Sometimes i hate you, but sometimes i wish i had your ability to deduce information.


The Chinese moves over CPEC couple of days back? Three aspects to it:

1. The statement over willingness to rename the CPEC: Has anyone EVER heard of a Chinese Diplomat/Functionary, make a statement not approved by the CCP? And that too a Diplomat who has served earlier in Pakistan?

2. The statement of Kashmir being a bilateral issue with China willing to provide it's services only if both parties agree to it? It indicated a willingness of China to work actively to 'safeguard' it's own interests. A fig leaf to India indirectly if you get the meaning.

3. The write up on China having a stake in the issue? But obvious we all know where that goes. The 'settlement' I can list here, with enough 'flame baiting' warnings coming my way:

a. The Chinese move of re-naming 6 places in Arunachal Pradesh must be looked at as Chinese steps towards negotiations over Sino-Indian border. China had proposed withdrawal of their claims over Tawang and Indian acceptance of Aksai-Chin as part of China way back as a settlement, which Nehru had rejected and the rest is history. A pragmatic settlement has been revived, something which can be reached accepting the hard realities. Remember, Indian attempts over the past few JWG meet has been to sign a standstill agreement with China to permanently recognise LAC, something which indeed is what is the original settlement plan of China as proposed.

b. China has invested in CPEC through Gilgit Baltistan, they can either force recognition of LC as a permanent boundary thereby allowing a proposal which both Indian and Pakistani PMs had visited in 1961, 1972 and again in 2007 and in the process acting as a guarantor of PA's behaviour and keeping it in check if such an accord is reached by the Governments, or it can position itself to force concessions out of PA at a later stage, while 'settling' the border with India. India has full incentive at it too, as does China. For the latter, India remains too big a market to ignore, while Pakistan remains a potential threat to it's own economic and commercial interests.

Now am off, let the trolls keep quoting me, half will not understand what I have written anyways and other majority are simply too dumb :D
 
Plot thickens. Proceedings in ICJ will be live telecasted on monday, it will be one interesting watch.
Nawaz has apparently assured India that govt of Pakistan will put up a weaker counter argument or wont present at all

Brother,

If this is true then it is Highest Treason. Unforgivable!

Normally, out of principle, I don't comment on Pak's internal political matter, since, I deem it that I have no right to do as being not part of Pak Society.

Pak is extremely dear to me...this breaks my heart to read it.
I do not doubt your words... so much betrayal, so much theft... it pains me.

All the 'incidents' along Pak's borders make clear sense now.

Who deserve bigger hanging... a spy who was loyal to his people and government or a pm who has tried to break Pak's back time after time?

They can do all their betrayals... they can do all their plotting... Pak was there and Pak shall remain there... the People of Pak will do the Right Thing.

Long Live Eternal Pak!

Sincerely,

SPF
the house of Sherif has repeatedly shown its hostility towards the army.
it is the last institution that the House cant buy or bully or make deal with to rule Pakistan unopposed
hence it uses both the relgious terrorists to keep its rival occupied and also uses Indian friendship to keep pressure on the eastern borders as well whenever Nawaz sees danger to his government.


as far as the house of sherif is concerned.. it has everything covered.. from business to justice system to banking to business community to civil administration the religious thugs .. it has bought, bullied or allied with everyone so army has no ally to rely on if it decides to take on the House of Sherif.
 
Nawaz Sharif should loose this election on being a security risk, PTI should play this card it will be an easy victory for them in the next election if they can convince the nation NS has secret ties with GOI.

Such a shame how Maryam Nawaz and NS stance on India is going to cost him another 5 years in office.
A friend of India holding the highest office in Pakistan is as Damning as it gets.
NS was helped by the Gen. Kayani in last elections to rig and win by 2/3rd majority. Now we are reaping the fruits of that decision. You would recall CH.Nisar and Showbaz meeting Kayani secretly around a dozen times.
Jesus christ, this man is single handedly destroying Pakistan

High debt, high population growth, no foreign policy, high corruption, low economic output, and on top of that he's giving India the keys to Pakistans backdoor just to spite the military?

...and people even on this forum will try and defend this criminal and his goons

Go back to May election 2013 and ask the Army high ups as to why on earth they rigged the election to let this moron become the PM of Pakistan. Kiyani needs to answer some tough questions.

Nothing will come out of the Panama JIT, Noora clan will get clean chit, the same officers, both ISI and MI, who were part of Dawnleak investigation team are now with Panama JIT.

Only Allah knows what kind of commitments and for what benefit of the state our military establishment have done with international establishment by letting the jet black traitors of Pakistan sit in the power corridors.

Your reasons of being hopeless are understandable - but the only institute which has kept Pakistan intact is Army. We just expect a little more from them because they are the only ones we could expect something from.

Have faith. If in Panama, PMLN gets a clean chit, Judicery will get a black chit on their character. They have no choice but to punish the culprit.

Wait and see and keep your hopes alive.
 
It is a war between the civilian and military leadership of Pakistan. On the face of it, I am pretty sure Jadhav is a spy but am also pretty sure that he is not the Ramboesque one man Army that the Pak Army Court has made him out to be. Perhaps the sentence of death was announced to appease the masses of Pak and to portray Pak Army as the ultimate defender of the land. Perhaps Pak Army did not calculate India's response. The whole thing is playing out like a soap opera.
 
No problem..if nz does not respond and KY is free to move it is the NZ right ..Civlian supremacy has to be ensured...
These are though just rumors ..It simply means even if true Bajwa is scared to hang him and now wants to face the save like he did in dawn leaks..Earlier they escorted Davis and put the blame on others it looks they wants to repeat the same ..
Double game is continued to be played...
If they really wants the hang him for what they are waiting ..
Kiyani puts him in power and now Bajwa is here to make sure it continues ...
They are just playing games with public to fool masses by leaking this type if rumors and on other hands protect the same NZ
 
Since we are talking about rumors, I've heard another one :

the establishment realizes that now that India has internationalized the case, their made up story about the Indian spy will soon be exposed. So the stage is being set to blame it all on the usual suspect; the civilian government. That way the establishment can cover up their lies and convince the Pakistani awam that the politicians messed up once again.

Which rumor seems more likely?

@Horus... is this bharta rat shit forum?? Why are we allowing threads to discuss fantacies??? Any source or close the thread please

You mean this forum has a standard? Could've fooled me! The tread is started by a defence.pk expert by the way, so it got a quality stamp all over it!
 
Nawaz has apparently assured India that govt of Pakistan will put up a weaker counter argument or wont present at all

the house of Sherif has repeatedly shown its hostility towards the army.
it is the last institution that the House cant buy or bully or make deal with to rule Pakistan unopposed
hence it uses both the relgious terrorists to keep its rival occupied and also uses Indian friendship to keep pressure on the eastern borders as well whenever Nawaz sees danger to his government.


as far as the house of sherif is concerned.. it has everything covered.. from business to justice system to banking to business community to civil administration the religious thugs .. it has bought, bullied or allied with everyone so army has no ally to rely on if it decides to take on the House of Sherif.



Fortress Pakistan could not have been destroyed or conquered from outside... yet when from within help is provided to Pak's enemies... what can Army do?

From AF to Iran to india... when everything is put together... is it not the case that someone/something is trying to protect those who have hallowed-out Pak State from within...

The foreign organised terrorism really tried to break Pak's back and these politicos and mullahs were dragging their feet to combat it... they are still doing that. Who benefits from this?

All those who have taken money from foreign sponsors to create secterian terror and are in leauge with these parasitical politicians... all have betrayed Pak.

And here on PDF are some who think that this new game will finaly sideline the Pak Armed Forces so that Pak becomes a docile and subservient to their whims... are underestimating something which they can not percieve.

Ah, my brother, when such betrayls and such deciet reaches its extreme a balancing force also arises... I refuse to believe that there is no hope. I refuse to believe that the only way for Pak is down. I refuse to accept that Pak will become a docile BD.

When evil reaches its extreme... justice is ready.

I don't know how or who or when... I know one thing for certain... despite all betrayals and theft and corruption the Time for Pak has come.

Pak Army has made many mistakes and are not corruption free either... let us put our faith in Young Paks!

Stay safe.

SPF
 

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