Indonesia gets US nod for F-15 and F-18 fighter jet purchases

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Why didn't they go for more Su-35?
Not advance for them?

US is a reliable partner. Russia will easily stab you in the back the way Russia did to Syria, Armenia, Libya.

 

[striver44]

The range is still much bellow PL15.


F-15 is better in range, maneuverability, endurance, altitude, but worse in agility and especially RCS compared to Rafale/EF2K and J-10C, and it's opponent like J-10C and J-16 carry PL15 that is surpassing all AAM that F-15 carry in term of range.



The option is only F-35, and to get it is difficult presently except you are US ally.

we could increase our chance to have those F-35 if we agree to host US airbase here.

 

[dbc]

The range is still much bellow PL15.


F-15 is better in range, maneuverability, endurance, altitude, but worse in agility and especially RCS compared to Rafale/EF2K and J-10C, and it's opponent like J-10C and J-16 carry PL15 that is surpassing all AAM that F-15 carry in term of range.



The option is only F-35, and to get it is difficult presently except you are US ally.

RCS is irrelevant for any forth gen carrying external stores. I am not a fan of long range AAMs in general because it gives your adversary that much more time to detect and decoy or deceive or maneuver to defeat the shot.
Plus there is a huge difference in range and effectiveness of a AAM when you launch a missile from the edge of space (100,000 ft) as opposed to launching it at 20,000 ft.

 

[antonius123]

RCS is irrelevant for any forth gen carrying external stores. I am not a fan of long range AAMs in general because it gives your adversary that much more time to detect and decoy or deceive or maneuver to defeat the shot.
Plus there is a huge difference in range and effectiveness of a AAM when you launch a missile from the edge of space (100,000 ft) as opposed to launching it at 20,000 ft.

No thats totally wrong.
RCS is still much relevant for 4th gen, and OTOH the BVRAAM is very critical in BVR engagement.
In engagement especially BVR the motto first shoot first kill applied. The fighter with greater radar and smaller RCS will detect opponent first and if you have BVRAAM like PL15 you will be able to shoot first when your opponent still can't see you, or maybe they can see you already but can't shoot you yet because your distance is still beyond their AAM max range.

Otherwise, then why they would need to pursue lower RCS for 4th gen fighters like Rafale/EF2K/F15SE/J-10 and create BVRAAM like Meteor.

we could increase our chance to have those F-35 if we agree to host US airbase here.

That means we need to sacrifice our neutrality, whic is not good for Indonesian geopolitical stance.

 

[dbc]

No thats totally wrong.
RCS is still much relevant for 4th gen, and OTOH the BVRAAM is very critical in BVR engagement.
In engagement especially BVR the motto first shoot first kill applied. The fighter with greater radar and smaller RCS will detect opponent first and if you have BVRAAM like PL15 you will be able to shoot first when your opponent still can't see you, or maybe can see you but can't shoot because the range is still beyond their AAM max range.

Not when you have a powerful AESA attached to the most powerful computer and you are sitting on the perch - well above everyone else.
Even a clean Rafale is detected well before it is within missile range.

 

[_NOBODY_]

SU-35 is always crushed by J-10C and J-16 both in dogfight and bvr engagement during the exercise in China

Su-35 got raped by J-10C in BVR exercises.

 

[Indos]

Su-35 got raped by J-10C in BVR exercises.

Russia has offered Indonesia some flexibility on the SU 35 deal recently, it makes Indonesia has freedom to chose our SU35 planes subsystems. Indonesia can use the offer by asking Russian to use SU 57 AESA radar on our Su 35, or use European AESA like from SAAB if Swedish is agree.

Design
The radar is a part of Sh121 multifunctional integrated radio electronic system (MIRES) onboard the Su-57. The N036 radar system is developed by Tikhomirov NIIP Institute and consists of a main nose-mounted X-band AESA radar with 1,552 T/R modules, designated the N036-1-01,[1] and two smaller X-band AESA radars with 358 T/R modules mounted on the sides of the forward fuselage designated N036B-1-01. The suite also has two N036L-1-01 L-band arrays on the wing's leading edge extensions that are not only used for friend-or-foe identification but also for electronic warfare purposes. Computer processing of the X- and L-band signals enable the systems information to be significantly enhanced. It has the ability to track 60 targets and shoot 16 simultaneously, at the same time having the ability to engage up to four targets on land simultaneously. The L402 "Himalayas" electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite made by the KNIRTI institute uses both its own arrays and that of the N036 radar.[1]

Byelka (radar) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

J-10C has DSI, wide angle holographic HUD, AESA, IRST. F-15 is no match for J-10C.

 

[striver44]

That means we need to sacrifice our neutrality, whic is not good for Indonesian geopolitical stance.

we need to have some sort of SUPER SEKRIT agreements no need to tell out loud.

 

[antonius123]

Not when you have a powerful AESA attached to the most powerful computer and you are sitting on the perch - well above everyone else.
Even a clean Rafale is detected well before it is within missile range.

AESA strenght is on LPI and can radiate multiple beams which is good for being stealthy and EW, but cannot help to detect low RCS object better than PESA radar. Therefore if your AESA detection range for 1m2 object is 150km, while your own RCS is 5m2 if your opponent have roughly same radar capability then your opponent will detect you first, because your RCS is considerably bigger.

Furthermore, as I said before even if you can detect your opponent 150km away, you can do nothing! because your AMRAAM range is far below 150km.

 

[antonius123]

Su-35 got raped by J-10C in BVR exercises.

Including in dogfight. This was surprising China, because it was generally assumed SU-35 is a very maneuverable fighter and one of the best in dogfighting.

 

[Place Of Space]

Congratulates. With this advance airplanes, you can challenge all around neighbors now.

 

[striver44]

Congratulates. With this advance airplanes, you can challenge all around neighbors now.

Yes, once we reach certain numbers we should do airspaces intrusion in the South China Sea ADIZ.

 

[IblinI]

Yes, once we reach certain numbers we should do airspaces intrusion in the South China Sea ADIZ.

good on you, just make sure you are still here in this forum after 2030s.

 

[striver44]

good on you, just make sure you are still here in this forum after 2030s.

Wow, you plan to stay for so long.