Indigenous Turbofan Engine for Nirbhay Sub-Sonic Cruise Missile Undergoing Ground Tests at GTRE

[notsuperstitious]

we have been using imported Russian engines for the Nirbhay testing . we had purchased 8 engines. they will be replaced by Indian engines subsequently ...

Thats a potential risk area then.

 

[Indo-guy]

Thats a potential risk area then.

If we are to believe the reports then development of Nirbhay engine is well on track ...

frankly speaking we have no choice but to develope engine for Nirbhay on our own. In coming decade Nirbhay family will spawn all our missile inventories ...so it is imperative that we do it on time .

Once again you see Russians have surreptitiously helped us in total contravention of treaty like MTCR ...

 

[madooxno9]

I can't beleive these Indian still doubt their ability.

We don't , Its just we need tested platform and re-confirmations.

 

[The Great One]

Thats a potential risk area then.

Why?

as you see brahmos despite being one of the best in its class has obvious range limitations due to MTCR restrictions .

so India is exploiting Ramjet know how by developing Long Range Cruise missile ...and collaborations with Russians during Brahmos which helped us master ramjet technology will come extremely handy ...

BrahMos has range limitations because it is BrahMos. Its papa Yakhont missile has similar range.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

So the correct news is that this is a NEW engine. Did we use an imported engine for the test?

I think the slide might be dated.

 

[Indo-guy]

Why?

BrahMos has range limitations because it is BrahMos. Its papa Yakhont missile has similar range.

Brahmos range can not be increased due to MTCR restrictions as it is Indo-Russian JV.

and therefore India is running separate Long Range Supersonic Cruise Missile programme which will feature Ramjet engine .

Nirbhay as you know is Long range but Subsonic Cruise missile ..and that's why the need for Long Range Supersonic Cruise missile ...which will actually carry on the legacy of Brahmos at greater hieghts ...or should we say longer distance ?

 

[notsuperstitious]

Why?

Because the Nirbhay program success will depend on the as yet unrealised success of a turbofan engine, an area we have struggled with in the past.

Also puts the successful test of Nirbhay in perspective. Mind you no criticism, just stating realistically.

 

[Indo-guy]

Why?.

It is potential risk area ..because so far we have been dependent on Russian engine for Nirbhay ....

we need to have indegenious engine and it must perform adequately ..if we have to mass produce Nirbhay ..as it is envisaged ...

Our dependence on Russian cryogenic engine and our own failures in cryogenic engines stalled our GSLV programme considerably ...that's why he says it is potential risk area ...

 

[The Great One]

Brahmos range can not be increased due to MTCR restrictions as it is Indo-Russian JV.

and therefore India is running separate Long Range Supersonic Cruise Missile programme which will feature Ramjet engine .

Nirbhay as you know is Long range but Subsonic Cruise missile ..and that's why the need for Long Range Supersonic Cruise missile ...which will actually carry on the legacy of Brahmos at greater hieghts ...or should we say longer distance ?

I don't want to start a fight over nothing but you are wrong in the assertion that BrahMos's range can't be increased because of MTCR.
BrahMos is basically this
P-800 Oniks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
with maybe some more advanced seeker. If P-800 can't have more range then why should BrahMos.
That statement might have been true if BrahMos was based on this instead
P-700 Granit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indo-guy]

I don't want to start a fight over nothing but you are wrong in that assertion that BrahMos range can't be increased because of MTCR.
BrahMos is basically this
P-800 Oniks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
with maybe some more advanced seeker. If P-800 can't have more range then why should BrahMos.
That statement might have been true if BrahMos was based on this instead
P-700 Granit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has been stated that Brahmos range could go upto 500 km .

the reason why we can't increase Brahmos range at least officially is due to MTCR restrictions ...Indian not being signatory to MTCR so far ...

Once we are admitted to MTCR , this will cease to be a problem .

however even then we need cruise missile with range longer than 500 km or so ..and so we are independently running Long Range Supersonic Cruise missile programme .

 

[The Great One]

Because the Nirbhay program success will depend on the as yet unrealised success of a turbofan engine, an area we have struggled with in the past.

Also puts the successful test of Nirbhay in perspective. Mind you no criticism, just stating realistically.

Agreed

It is potential risk area ..because so far we have been dependent on Russian engine for Nirbhay ....

we need to have indegenious engine and it must perform adequately ..if we have to mass produce Nirbhay ..as it is envisaged ...

Our dependence on Russian cryogenic engine and our own failures in cryogenic engines stalled our GSLV programme considerably ...that's why he says it is potential risk area ...

LOL If it is dependence upon Ruskies then everything is a potential risk area
Su 30 MKI (all its missiles and bombs too)
Mig 29 UPG
Mig 27
BrahMos
Mig 29K
Vikramaditya
Arihant...........................................................................................................................................................................

As for dependence upon foreigners, I agree that it is a risk area as shown by LCA and Amreeki sanctions. GSLV was also f*ed up by Americans. But now that we are friends (ahem ahem) *strategic partners*, we should be fine I think.

 

[Indo-guy]

I don't want to start a fight over nothing but you are wrong in the assertion that BrahMos's range can't be increased because of MTCR.
BrahMos is basically this
P-800 Oniks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
with maybe some more advanced seeker. If P-800 can't have more range then why should BrahMos.
That statement might have been true if BrahMos was based on this instead
P-700 Granit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your contention that since Brhmos is based on P 800 and so can not have range more than 300 km is incorrect .

CEO of Brahmos Mr Pillai himself has made it clear that Brahmos range can be increased if required we are not doing so to honour Russia's commitment to MTCR as it is a JV with Russia .

Once we are admitted to MTCR ...we can off course increase the range or we can create separate Indian programme for extended version of Brahmos ...

Agreed

LOL If it is dependence upon Ruskies then everything is a potential risk area
Su 30 MKI (all its missiles and bombs too)
Mig 29 UPG
Mig 27
BrahMos
Mig 29K
Vikramaditya
Arihant...........................................................................................................................................................................

As for dependence upon foreigners, I agree that it is a risk area as shown by LCA and Amreeki sanctions. GSLV was also f*ed up by Americans. But now that we are friends (ahem ahem) *strategic partners*, we should be fine I think.

It is agreed that dependence on other countries is a risk ..Our dependence on other countries makes us vulnerable ...have not we seen the cost overruns, time delays in projects where we have been dependent on foreign powers ...?

and that's why so much thrust on Self reliance !!!

 

[The Great One]

Your contention that since Brhmos is based on P 800 and so can not have range more than 300 km is incorrect .

CEO of Brahmos Mr Pillai himself has made it clear that Brahmos range can be increased if required we are not doing so to honour Russia's commitment to MTCR as it is a JV with Russia .

Once we are admitted to MTCR ...we can off course increase the range or we can create separate Indian programme for extended version of Brahmos ...

I don't know man. Can you give a link of that interview.
Anyway
DRDO chief himself stated that its range is 600 km in 'Hi-Hi' trajectory so all this is moot.

 

[Indo-guy]

I don't know man. Can you give a link of that interview.
Anyway
DRDO chief himself stated that its range is 600 km in 'Hi-Hi' trajectory so all this is moot.

I don't know man. Can you give a link of that interview.
Anyway
DRDO chief himself stated that its range is 600 km in 'Hi-Hi' trajectory so all this is moot.

what DRDO Chief said that Brahmos range is 600 km in ' Hi-Hi " trajectory is a technical point ..and that pertains to current versions of Brahmos that we already have ...

But the fact that the Brahmos range can be extended upto 500 km in even in its conventional mode is very important .

this is different from the 600 km range in " Hi -Hi " mode that you talked about .


Extended range of Brahmos which is a very high precision strike weapon is extremely important to take out deep seated high value targets in enemy territory ...

that's why the Long Range Supersonic Cruise Missile project has been tightly wrapped in secrecy ...

 

[The Great One]

what DRDO Chief said that Brahmos range is 600 km in ' Hi-Hi " trajectory is a technical point ..and that pertains to current versions of Brahmos that we already have ...

But the fact that the Brahmos range can be extended upto 500 km in even in its conventional mode is very important .

this is different from the 600 km range in " Hi -Hi " mode that you talked about .


Extended range of Brahmos which is a very high precision strike weapon is extremely important to take out deep seated high value targets in enemy territory ...

that's why the Long Range Supersonic Cruise Missile project has been tightly wrapped in secrecy ...

'so the whole design was adopted for 300 km'.
Doesn't look to me that he is saying more range is possible. Idk where you get that it has more range or 500 km part. And if it did we wouldn't be making LRCM with only a 100 km range boost now would we?