India's LCA Tejas in Trouble ?

[Olympus81]

PAF went with a pragmatic approach by signing a deal with CATIC for a joint fighter deal in a 50-50 joint venture.

PAF over the years has continued to increase localisation of components and assembly of JF-17s. While the critical components are still outsourced, one can foresee those components will be localised, except for engines and avionics.

I think it was a good approach and provides great opportunity for PAF to learn and mature considering constraints around finance and timeline.

There are 200+ JF-17s flying with PAF which will replace the F-7s, A-10s, Mirages. That’s a huge leap for PAF.

IAF on the other hand, went with a shot in the arm approach. They took a radical approach in aircraft design with an aim to build the aircraft locally (except for engine). Suffered some major delays and were able to convince IAF to induct 40 jets. The engines is still a sticking point with the US. Not sure why they cannot look for alternatives elsewhere. Russians or Europeans will be more than happy to supply the same.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

A-10s

Does PAF uses A-10 jets?

 

[Olympus81]

Does PAF uses A-10 jets?

A-5s sorry. Those have been retired already.

 

[Jammer]

Tejas is for show , we will use Rafael .

Kocha kabhi bhehju na Rafale ko hamaray barder pey khushbu laga kay!

 

[karmaa]

Kocha kabhi bhehju na Rafale ko hamaray barder pey khushbu laga kay!

Start panga with us , you will get the result .

 

[VkdIndian]

This thread is similar to scores of other similar threads created by Pakjeets in a hope. A hope of what they want to happen to India or something concerning India.

Pakjeets are hoping that Tejas would fail. Let me tell you fools, Tejas isn’t going to. Whatever had to happen, has already happened and caused the delays.

The current iteration of Tejas is far ahead of what was conceived in the beginning. It has some of the finest technologies of present times. It is a perfect story of - der aayat lekin durust aayat.

 

[alikazmi007]

"Well, I guess Pakjeets are just trying to find a thread of hope in their Tejas-tastrophe of assumptions about India. Little do they know, Tejas has more plot twists than a Bollywood movie – 'der aayat lekin durust aayat,' or maybe it's just 'der aayat lekin Tejas pe bhaari chhaayat.' #TejasDrama"

 

[karmaa]

This thread is similar to scores of other similar threads created by Pakjeets in a hope. A hope of what they want to happen to India or something concerning India.

Pakjeets are hoping that Tejas would fail. Let me tell you fools, Tejas isn’t going to. Whatever had to happen, has already happened and caused the delays.

The current iteration of Tejas is far ahead of what was conceived in the beginning. It has some of the finest technologies of present times. It is a perfect story of - der aayat lekin durust aayat.

Pakatuas are in great frustration let them resolve their problems .

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Pakatuas are in great frustration let them resolve their problems .

Where your out of this universe Tejas has indigenous in nature can I show you how many components and testing done by western countries and Israel

 

[Faceless]

Where your out of this universe Tejas has indigenous in nature can I show you how many components and testing done by western countries and Israel

Please Do, but do it in a proper way with a bullet list instead of blabbering about the same old 6-7 components most of which are indigenized now.

I am unable to think of anything other than the Engine and Ejection Seat.

 

[nahtanbob]

PAF went with a pragmatic approach by signing a deal with CATIC for a joint fighter deal in a 50-50 joint venture.

PAF over the years has continued to increase localisation of components and assembly of JF-17s. While the critical components are still outsourced, one can foresee those components will be localised, except for engines and avionics.

I think it was a good approach and provides great opportunity for PAF to learn and mature considering constraints around finance and timeline.

There are 200+ JF-17s flying with PAF which will replace the F-7s, A-10s, Mirages. That’s a huge leap for PAF.

IAF on the other hand, went with a shot in the arm approach. They took a radical approach in aircraft design with an aim to build the aircraft locally (except for engine). Suffered some major delays and were able to convince IAF to induct 40 jets. The engines is still a sticking point with the US. Not sure why they cannot look for alternatives elsewhere. Russians or Europeans will be more than happy to supply the same.

There are 150 JF-17 not 200 as you claim

 

[Faceless]

There are 150 JF-17 not 200 as you claim

Can you post a breakdown, how many block 1, 2 and 3 are currently in service and how many are on order

PAF over the years has continued to increase localisation of components and assembly of JF-17s. While the critical components are still outsourced, one can foresee those components will be localised, except for engines and avionics.

Component Localisation as in license manufacturing or replacement with indigenous components (with PAC holding IP rights of those components)

Because I am yet to find out about a single major component of JF 17 that Pakistan holds IP rights of

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Please Do and do it in a proper way with a bullet list instead of blabbering about the same old 6-7 components most of which are indigenized now.

I am unable to think of anything other than the Engine and Ejection Seat.

1 design and develop by France

2 fly by wire tested by USA on f16 Vista in 90s ( you only improved it after sanctions (98))

Landing gears develop by Boeing

Avionics from Israel France and some Indian

Weapons from USA Israel Russian France ( targeting pods is also from Israel)

For Composite material Europe helped you

There are 150 JF-17 not 200 as you claim

No over 200 we have block 1/2 jf17 we have

 

[nahtanbob]

Can you post a breakdown, how many block 1, 2 and 3 are currently in service and how many are on order


Component Localisation as in license manufacturing or replacement with indigenous components (with PAC holding IP rights of those components)

Because I am yet to find out about a single major component of JF 17 that Pakistan holds IP rights of

These are the typical parts in an aircraft
airframe
jet engine
fly by wire control (hydraulic control)
pilot ejection seat
refueling strobe

avionics
cockpit display
mission computer
communication interface
navigational system
IFF
electronic warfare system
MIL-1553 datalink interface
radar
infrared scan and track
helmet mounted display

Not sure what Pakistan produces

PAF went with a pragmatic approach by signing a deal with CATIC for a joint fighter deal in a 50-50 joint venture.

PAF over the years has continued to increase localisation of components and assembly of JF-17s. While the critical components are still outsourced, one can foresee those components will be localised, except for engines and avionics.

I think it was a good approach and provides great opportunity for PAF to learn and mature considering constraints around finance and timeline.

There are 200+ JF-17s flying with PAF which will replace the F-7s, A-10s, Mirages. That’s a huge leap for PAF.

IAF on the other hand, went with a shot in the arm approach. They took a radical approach in aircraft design with an aim to build the aircraft locally (except for engine). Suffered some major delays and were able to convince IAF to induct 40 jets. The engines is still a sticking point with the US. Not sure why they cannot look for alternatives elsewhere. Russians or Europeans will be more than happy to supply the same.

They assemble RD-33 engines for their Mig-29 fleet. Safran and Rolls Royce have offered technology transfers on egnines.

 

[_killuminati_]

1 design and develop by France

2 fly by wire tested by USA on f16 Vista in 90s ( you only improved it after sanctions (98))

Landing gears develop by Boeing

Avionics from Israel France and some Indian

Weapons from USA Israel Russian France ( targeting pods is also from Israel)

For Composite material Europe helped you

Ejection seat made by Russian Zvezda Research and Production organization. Formerly, it was made by British Martin-Baker.

GSh-23 cannon is Russian.