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Indian navy lowers the ensign and casts off its colonial ties.

Which brings another.. less related perhaps.. but relevant question?
Did none of the Indian rulers of India have a naval force??
I doubt the self indulgent Mughals ever did.. but no one that can allude to a indigenous tradition?
 
Great news!! I always hated the old IN flag but thought nothing would/could be done about it. The British did nothing for India but subvert and butcher millions of people for their own selfish greed. Good on you IN!!

That would the 'pious' 'believer' rulers who claimed to rule India for 1000 years, not British. British may have colonized India and robbed our resources, but they also laid the foundation of Modern India & our institutions like Railways, Post, Judiciary, Educational System etc. Don't hate British for the sake of hating.
 
That would the 'pious' 'believer' rulers who claimed to rule India for 1000 years, not British. British may have colonized India and robbed our resources, but they also laid the foundation of Modern India & our institutions like Railways, Post, Judiciary, Educational System etc. Don't hate British for the sake of hating.

You want to start a flamewar or something??
hmm?
 
Which brings another.. less related perhaps.. but relevant question?
Did none of the Indian rulers of India have a naval force??
I doubt the self indulgent Mughals ever did.. but no one that can allude to a indigenous tradition?

They did actually. The Maratha's, Tipu Sultan as well as the Kingdom of Travencore had strong navies. The Travencore Navy was the reason why the Dutch never got a foothold in India. Marathas and the Mughals were a depleted force when the British navy came in. Add to that advanced ships, the entire naval capabilities of India was destroyed.
Reason for not using indigenous insignia was to avoid regional bickering. King Ashoka and his insignia are the closest we can go to having a common traditional military insignia.
 
@Santro; South Indian had a strong navy they captured most of Indo China


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They did actually. The Maratha's, Tipu Sultan as well as the Kingdom of Travencore had strong navies. The Travencore Navy was the reason why the Dutch never got a foothold in India. Marathas and the Mughals were a depleted force when the British navy came in. Add to that advanced ships, the entire naval capabilities of India was destroyed.
Reason for not using indigenous insignia was to avoid regional bickering. King Ashoka and his insignia are the closest we can go to having a common traditional military insignia.

@Santro; South Indian had a strong navy they captured most of Indo China

Then start taking elements from those which were the most successful.
For eg.. a particular dress.. although I assume its probably going to make everybody look really ridiculous.
As an example.. the brits and in turn the PN indulged in a ceremony somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic (or near greece..not sure).
where homage was paid to the greek god Poseidon..him being god of the seas.
Not as such as believing in him, but as tradition there was a ceremony held...meaningless as such, but it provided a respite for the crew and the chance to have some fun.(they got to dress up)
However.. I doubt it has any relevance to any of us in the sub-continent.
 
Then start taking elements from those which were the most successful.
For eg.. a particular dress.. although I assume its probably going to make everybody look really ridiculous.
As an example.. the brits and in turn the PN indulged in a ceremony somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic (or near greece..not sure).
where homage was paid to the greek god Poseidon..him being god of the seas.
Not as such as believing in him, but as tradition there was a ceremony held...meaningless as such, but it provided a respite for the crew and the chance to have some fun.(they got to dress up)

However.. I doubt it has any relevance to any of us in the sub-continent.

Probably what you are referring to is "Crossing the line", when a "pollywag" becomes a "shell back". It is an old sea-tradition when a seaman (any seaman) crosses the Equator for the first time. It is dedicated to (if that expression can be used) to "King Neptune" (Monarch of the Seas), not Poseidon. It is essentially an European (read mainly English) creation when crossing the Equator was indicative of sailing far away from home waters. A "Pollywag" is a half landlubber/half sailor. On "Crossing the Line", the "pollywag" becomes a "shellback" i.e. a hardened sailor who gains the freedom of the seas, admittance to Neptune's kingdom and the benefit of King Neptune's benevolent gaze that will take the Sailor through all kinds of tempests, storms and other hardships that may beset him.
This is a tradition that gives play to a Sailor's superstitions in a small measure, but more likely the fact that crossing the equatorial areas in the days of sail, ships frequently met variable winds and even dead-calm conditions and ships remained becalmed for days on end (or even longer) and hardly made any headway on their planned voyages. This kind of ritual gave the crew something to do, while helping to lessen the stress of a period of some indeterminate navigation.

So it was plainly "fun and games" not any kind of religious ritual. The tradition carries on even to this day across nationalities and on both warships and merchantmen.
Just an occaision for some light hearted antics and ribbing/hazing of the "green-horns" or "snotties".
 
Yup.. thats exactly the one..
I could'nt remember whom it was dedicated to.. kept thinking of greek gods..
So.. something along those lines, based on Indian tradition cant be exercised?
 
Yup.. thats exactly the one..
I could'nt remember whom it was dedicated to.. kept thinking of greek gods..
So.. something along those lines, based on Indian tradition cant be exercised?

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We do name our establishments after our indigenous heroes too. For example our western naval command HQ is called INS Angre named after Sarkhel Kanhoji Angre of Maratha Navy.

I think we should not exclude any of our history, we want to be an inclusive nation.
 
Yup.. thats exactly the one..
I could'nt remember whom it was dedicated to.. kept thinking of greek gods..
So.. something along those lines, based on Indian tradition cant be exercised?

@Santro,
I understand your point regarding creating some kind of indigenous traditions. One reason that this tradition has remained is that it is purely light hearted in intent and non-religious in content. Having been part of this tradition, I don't see any reason to change it; even more so since it is not even nationalistic in its character. Actually there is a long held belief at sea that the "Brotherhood of Seamen transcends the Sovereignity of Nations", and I am not speaking only of Sailors on Warships. Actually they are but a small fraction of Men who put out to Sea.

That said, some traditions have evolved. For example, the act of breaking a bottle of wine (champagne) across the bows of a ship being launched in India has been replaced by the act of breaking a Coconut. Simply because that is the tradition of Indian Shipwrights over centuries. Similarly the offering of Coconuts to the Sea some time in the month of September to propitiate the Seas so that they may reduce their fury and drive away the Monsoon winds that impeded sea faring activities. I have seen Seamen and Fishermen continue with that tradition even while sailing in that season in modern power-driven ships.
 
Exactly.. So the whole "christening" of the ship.. has been replaced with "Indian(ing)" the ship.
And whilst the offerings to neptune I like.. I meant it as an example to encourage such traditions.

If a tradition existed 3000 years ago on Indian ship's that the first catch of the day was offered to the crew for whatever.. then bring it in.
 
Yeah I forgot this part. Thats how Hinduism was established in Ancient Indonesia and Indo China.

No it wasn't. Hinduism and Buddhism have been there long before the Cholas.

It was because of trade between Indians and South East Asia. Indian Muslim traders also introduced Islam there too.

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Thank god this is gone, I always hated it.



You are right. You should als realize that your Kolkata class is being laughed by many military observers as a "world navy systems expo"?

Let me give you details:

Engine: Zorya, Ukrainian
Radar: IAI, Israel
Air search Radar: Thales, France
Electricity generation: Wärtsilä, Finland
Electronic warfare: Elbit, Israel
Surface to air missile: Barak, Israel
CIWS: AK-630, Russia
Anti-submarine: RBU-6000, Russia

this list goes longer than this. computer system are all imported, even the rivet and shockingly the electricity wire need to be imported.

He left out

BEL HUMSA-NG sonar
BEL Nagin active towed array sonar
BEL RAWL-02
BEL Electronic Modular Command & Control Applications (EMCCA Mk4) combat management system

Barak 8- JV Israel and India
BrahMos- JV Russia and India

Weapons are supposed to be made by DRDO and others, which they are slow in


He also forgot the WHOLE PLATFORM ITSELF IS MADE IN INDIA!!! NOT LICENSE PRODUCED, NOT TOT!!
Designed and produced in India!

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