Block 3 JF-17 should be coming into the picture soon. That will make it on par with Rafales
i guess China would have to tremble in fear then
there are other ways to loose credibility but this comment just nuked urs

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Block 3 JF-17 should be coming into the picture soon. That will make it on par with Rafales
i guess China would have to tremble in fear then

You failed to follow the discussion, which was started by someone saying/claiming that Indian naval aviation (by itself) would handle PAF, leaving Indian air force free to do other things. See post #9 then #20.Naval aviation does not means all borne from the Carrier. In the Indian case in the regional areas, they could also be deployed over the Naval airbases. So how about Jaguar IM, Su-30 MKI for Naval Strike, Rafale-M, Mig 29 K, and LCA Mk-2.
Yes, really. If EriEye is good enough for the Swedes (against Russians), it is good enough for PAF. Likewise, ZDK-03. It is not that IAFs Berievs A50 with Israely radars are somehow magical.
BS. AWACS increases effectiveness of any airforce, and it would border on criminal to not use such a capability when available. Also, I was talking about offensive air operations of IAF, and therefor defences operations by PAF. And no, India really cannot just concentrate all it has on one spot (e.g. Pakistan), as that would leave its Northern (air) frontier, Arabian sea and Bay of Bengal/Andaman sea approaches uncovered and vulnerable, to attack by opportunists or Pakistani allies.
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Pakistan possesses more AWACS as compared to India, in total 7 of them, a mixture of Swedish and Chinese AWACS.
If you claim something is junk, you show/explain why it is junk.Well, since you are so convinced. about ZDK 03 it's really pointless to debate. And you are overselling Erieye Horizon. and Pakistani Allies bit got me almost to fall of my chair. yes awacs makes any AF better, like any Augmentation. but that i presume wont make any difference to the eventual outcome. BBye
Please explain what exactly you mean by that.chinese and Swedish AWCAS are not integrated with PAF F-16s
they never will
http://quwa.org/2016/04/05/link-17-pakistans-homegrown-data-link-system/“Link-17” – Pakistan’s homegrown data-link system
05 April 2016
By Bilal Khan
Link-17 has given the PAF a network protocol that it can use with a wide range of aerial assets, especially domestically driven programs, such as the JF-17 Thunder. The tactical operational benefits are certainly present. As with any modern TDL, the JF-17 (as well as the Mirage ROSE) can utilize the extended range air surveillance coverage offered by the radars on-board the Erieye and Karakoram Eagle AEW&C platforms, which in turn can open up a number of advantageous tactical scenarios.
Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank says the Karakorum Eagle's mission is "asically the same job as Erieye but based in southern sector.
"To cover all the length of Pakistan we needed additional AEW&C aircraft and ZDK-03 was the answer due to political and financial considerations," he said.
Former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail says the PAF was not keen on their purchase.
"The [Karakorum] Eagle was purchased rather reluctantly, under pressure of [then President] Gen. Musharraf, as a political expedient [Chinese appeasement], and not because of any reasons of technical superiority," he said. "It would have been more cost effective to manage a single type than these two vastly different ones."
Though he now believes attitudes have changed.
"Having said that, the performance of the Eagle has turned out to be surprisingly good, which takes some sting out of the initial criticism," he said.
Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF's aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.
To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/air-force-modernization.htmWhile the Erieye's will datalink the F-16's, they will not be able to do so with the Mirage fleet. The first Erieye will be delivered in 2009, followed by the remainder by 2011. The Chinese origin fighter aircraft will have AEW&C support from the planned acquisition of 4 ZDK-03 (Chinese Y-8 AWACS). The ZDK-03 contract was close to be being finalised for the required 4 aircraft.
If you claim something is junk, you show/explain why it is junk.
The following are Erieye users.
- Brazil (no other AEW system in use)
- Greece (no other AEW system in use)
- Mexico (no other AEW system in use)
- Pakistan (with ZDK-08)
- Saudi Arabia (with Boeing E-3)
- Sweden (no other AEW system in use)
- Thailand (no other AEW system in use)
- United Arab Emirates - 2 on order
can you install it on PAF f-16 ?
I'm assuming you are talking about 'Link 17'? I don't see why not. F16 and Erieye as well as JF17 and ZDK-03 are apparently able to communicate using data link 'as is'.So, the domestic 'link 17' TDL can sure help communication between these two sets.can you install it on PAF f-16 ?
i know the PAF would like to. Would Uncle Sam allow it ?I'm assuming you are talking about 'Link 17'? I don't see why not. F16 and Erieye as well as JF17 and ZDK-03 are apparently able to communicate using data link 'as is'.So, the domestic 'link 17' TDL can sure help communication between these two sets.
You failed to follow the discussion, which was started by someone saying/claiming that Indian naval aviation (by itself) would handle PAF, leaving Indian air force free to do other things. See post #9 then #20.
So that means 33+12 Mig 29K, eventually 36 Hal Tejas (first 6 ordered, total 36 planned, Tejas is yet to enter Naval Air Arm service) and - speculated, hypothesized - some number of Naval Aviation Rafales (besides those few just ordered in limited number for air force) VERSUS current PAFs 76 F-16 (13 A/B, 45 AM/BM, 18 C/D), 90 JF-17, 75 Mirage 3, 82 Mirage 5 and 184 Shenyang F-7 (Mig 21). With JF17 numbers increasing and Mirage and Shenyang decreasing over time.
That simply is BS.
Current indian naval aviation consists of
Jaguar, SU-30 etc are air force.
- Boeing P-8 Poseidon
- Dornier Do 228
- HAL HPT-32 Deepak
- HAL Kiran
- Ilyushin Il-38
- Mikoyan MiG-29K
- Tupolev Tu-142
- BAE Systems Hawk
oh i forgot to tell you that "Start Trembling"!!!!i guess China would have to tremble in fear then

Jaguar and Su 30 do have Maritime strike role but yes u are right there is no evidence its operated by IN, they are purely IAF.Current indian naval aviation consists of
Jaguar, SU-30 etc are air force.
- Boeing P-8 Poseidon
- Dornier Do 228
- HAL HPT-32 Deepak
- HAL Kiran
- Ilyushin Il-38
- Mikoyan MiG-29K
- Tupolev Tu-142
- BAE Systems Hawk
Then i should say Chinese navy will take care of IAF in near future.Air force only for USA.Indian Navy will take care of PAF in near future. Air force only for China
I don't see how they can stop it.i know the PAF would like to. Would Uncle Sam allow it ?
I humbly apologize. Happy now?Penguin -- Your posts are showing you have started to Act Cocky.
The relevant facts are correct: no Jaguars and Su-30s in Indian naval avation. Which was the point.Get your Facts Right Indian Navy Dont have HPT 32 any more (dusted)
That may be, but I have explained how this discussion came about. So, if someone says "IN naval avation will take care or entire PAF" they are NOT talking air force. There is only 1 squadron Jaguar IM (maritime attack) in IAF service and I don't see how these naval strike aircraft (with 2 Magic AAM and Sea Eagle antiship missiles and an Agave radar capable of air-to-air operations but optimised for maritime air-to-surface operations) would be much added capability in taking out PAF. In a sense, this also applies to a dedicated naval strike squadron of Su-30MKI: how would this naval strike capability help against PAF? So, how are they any different from other Su-30 squadrons of the IAF. Are they in fact intended to be used against PAF?Zebra Meant Land Bases will be used to Attack 1 Sqn of Su 30 IAF is Dedicated for Naval Role + 1 Sqn of Jag --
Jaguar and Su 30 do have Maritime strike role but yes u are right there is no evidence its operated by IN, they are purely IAF.
I agree with you IN take on PAF is fanboy statement, besides IN aviation has other roles than fighting only PAF.
And Penguin I have a hypothetical question to u?
1. U mentioned Indian geographic map to point out the gaps in AWACS coverage, Do u think IAF would be dispersing its AWACS units to southern parts in case of war?