India, Russia ink agreement to share GLONASS signals

[sudhir007]

India, Russia ink agreement to share GLONASS signals - Brahmand.com

India and Russia Tuesday signed an agreement to share high precision signals from the Global Navigation Satellite System (GLONASS).

The agreement to share the high precision signal from GLONASS satellites was signed on the sidelines of the visit of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

Glonass is the Russian equivalent of the US Global Positioning System
and is designed for both military and civilian use. Both systems allow users to determine their positions to within a few meters.

The agreement envisages Russia providing access to the GLONASS High Precision Navigation signals to India, officials said.

During their bilateral talks, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Medvedev appreciated the progress being made in India's utilisation of GLONASS.

Russia currently has a total of 26 GLONASS satellites in orbit, but three are operational.

Earlier this month, Russia's attempt to launch three more GLONASS-M satellites failed after the rocket carrying them deviated from its path and plunged into the Pacific Ocean northwest of Hawaii.

The three lost satellites would have allowed Russia to operate a complete GLONASS network of 24 operational satellites and have several satellites in reserve.

In March, Roscosmos, Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and NIS GLONASS signed a Memorandum of Cooperation.

Later, representatives from NIS GLONASS and ISRO's commercial arm -- Antrix agreed to set up a joint venture for providing navigation and information services on the GLONASS-GPS platform.

Singh and Medvedev also reviewed the progress made in bilateral scientific and technological cooperation.

"They expressed satisfaction at the extension of the Integrated Long Term Program (ILTP) for scientific and technical cooperation for another decade and its focus on identifying innovation-led technology programmes," said a joint statement issued after the talks.

The two leaders said creation of new and innovative technologies would be at the heart of the respective economic modernisation programmes in the two countries.

"Continuous efforts would be made to identify programmes that would be built on the existing linkages between Indian and Russian scientific establishments. The new Indian- Russian S&T Centre would facilitate such programmes," the statement said.

 

[kingdurgaking]

Cant believe Russian space rockets still falling into pacific.. Then why there is a big fuzz when agni falls into bay of bengal?? is it because of the ocean in which it falls?

 

[prototype]

Cant believe Russian space rockets still falling into pacific.. Then why there is a big fuzz when agni falls into bay of bengal?? is it because of the ocean in which it falls?

Because aerospace technology is not some child's game,a mistake by fraction can ruin the entire operation,some countries claim about 100 % success but everyone know about the problem's faced in this particular field,Two american space shuttles become debris of fire with many people dead even after 1000's of hours of successful flight

@ topic ,Well thats a good development,I think India will also launch some satellites of GLONASS series,we can gradually replace GPS with GLONASS and IRNSS is also in development.

 

[KS]

Because aerospace technology is not some child's game,a mistake by fraction can ruin the entire operation,some countries claim about 100 % success but everyone know about the problem's faced in this particular field,Two american space shuttles become debris of fire with many people dead even after 1000's of hours of successful flight

The problem is just some online warriors just dont understand it.

@ topic ,Well thats a good development,I think India will also launch some satellites of GLONASS series,we can gradually replace GPS with GLONASS and IRNSS is also in development.

I dont think IRNSS is planned for the whole globe. It is only for the mass stretching from Africa to Oceania or roughly 6000 km radius around India.GLOSNASS will be the counterpart GPS.

 

[alam.saquiba]

Because aerospace technology is not some child's game,a mistake by fraction can ruin the entire operation,some countries claim about 100 % success but everyone know about the problem's faced in this particular field,Two american space shuttles become debris of fire with many people dead even after 1000's of hours of successful flight

@ topic ,Well thats a good development,I think India will also launch some satellites of GLONASS series,we can gradually replace GPS with GLONASS and IRNSS is also in development.

I disagree... Missile tech is not less complicated than space technology, The Missile Payload need to be highly precise (in terms of few meter) where as the satellite need to be placed in an orbit having variance of several meters... both uses similar propulsion so chance of failure is not less for one...

India is planning to have its own GPS (Gagan) its first payload (satellite) was destroyed last year due to GSLV failure...

 

[prototype]

I dont think IRNSS is planned for the whole globe. It is only for the mass stretching from Africa to Oceania or roughly 6000 km radius around India.GLOSNASS will be the counterpart GPS.

Yes IRNSS is just a regional navigation system,we will be using GLONASS on global level.

But just like China is expanding its regional network Beidou 1 into the globally covered Compass,this can b a possibility with India,when more funds r available

 

[sancho]

Can anybody tell me what happend with our on system and what this will mean for it? I mean no Indian system anymore and only this co-development, or will we field it also?

 

[prototype]

I disagree... Missile tech is not less complicated than space technology, The Missile Payload need to be highly precise (in terms of few meter) where as the satellite need to be placed in an orbit having variance of several meters... both uses similar propulsion so chance of failure is not less for one...

I meant the same aerospace and missile tech

India is planning to have its own GPS (Gagan) its first payload (satellite) was destroyed last year due to GSLV failure...

Gagan is not a GPS service,its a SBAS which is itself aided by GPS

 

[Kinetic]

Cant believe Russian space rockets still falling into pacific.. Then why there is a big fuzz when agni falls into bay of bengal?? is it because of the ocean in which it falls?

There is no country which is developing their own system dont have large number of failure. Forget this space launch, Russia's new Bulava missile had many failures recently. Recent tests of America's missile defence tests were failures. Those making fun of the failure even don't bother if it is cutting edge technology or their own country is can never afford them!

 

[Kinetic]

I dont think IRNSS is planned for the whole globe. It is only for the mass stretching from Africa to Oceania or roughly 6000 km radius around India.GLOSNASS will be the counterpart GPS.

IRNSS initially planned for India and surrounding regions but there is a plan for global Indian navigation system called GINS but it will take time. Only after IRNSS is fully operational. Until than we have stakes in GLONASS and Galileo.

Global Indian Navigation system on cards

Statutory filing for frequency spectrum.

Madhumathi D.S.

Bangalore, May 13

The US rules the world with it, Russia has had it and Europe is firming up its own.

Now an ambitious Indian ‘GPS' stretching all across the globe has been conjured up.

GINS or the Global Indian Navigation System, when it happens, will give India an entry into the commercially and militarily powerful world of positioning and timing of all things on earth, sea, air or space.

GINS, it is learnt, is meant to be a constellation of at least 24 satellites arching across the globe at a distance of 24,000 km.

These will offer an Indian brand of precise location advices to those who want it, much like the US Global Positioning System.

The statutory filing for frequency spectrum of GINS satellite orbits, which projects India's requirement in a specific international space, has been done.

“The concept is still being studied in detail. But GINS will not be happening in the near future,” said Dr Surendra Pal, till recently Associate Director at ISRO Satellite Centre, and who spearheaded the sat-nav programme from its start.

“ISRO is currently concentrating on GAGAN (the three-satellite GPS augmentation scheme) and the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System,” he told Business Line.

The way it can impact everyday life is vast, he said. In the US and Europe, a GPS receiver is indispensable on cars and trucks.

Ships need them to find their way perfectly to their destination.

As do airlines' pilots who depend upon GPS for smooth navigating, landing and take-offs.

At times of disasters, rescue agencies have saved lives using the accurate time and location given by the GPS.

Yet, the GPS, created, owned by the US military and allowed for a few civilian services, cannot be taken for granted, Dr Pal said while speaking at an event organised recently by the Institution of Engineering and Technology of the UK.

For example, the time and position details can be adjusted to the detriment of adversaries of the US, as it happened during the second US-Iraq war. The disastrous consequences can only be imagined, he said.

According to Dr Pal, more global constellations meant better accuracy of information, reliability, as also availability of satellites over an area.

However, for civil aviation, GAGAN, once in use, would vastly improve readings for place and time for now.

Global system

A global system such as GINS would be a natural step for the country after it got the national-level GAGAN ready for operation in a couple of years and was preparing to put the GPS-independent Rs 1,600-crore, seven-satellite IRNSS in place between 2011 and 2014.

According to Dr Pal, more global constellations meant better accuracy of information, reliability, as also availability of satellites over an area.

However, for civil aviation, GAGAN, once in use, would vastly improve readings for place and time for now.

Considering that GPS, which came up in 1978, cost $20 billion and Europe's proposed Galileo estimated at $9 billion, GINS may cost at least in millions and take a long time before approvals and funds came, he said.

Russia's GLONASS with 24 satellites is crippled and being replenished with a role for ISRO. Dr Pal said accurate positioning will help all movements on land, sea or in air; it can be used in mining, fishing, aviation and to plan road, rail and infrastructure projects.

It can be used in forest survey, border mapping, synchronisation of power grids, monitoring the health of tall buildings, and even to mark out epidemic zones.

It can keep tabs on militancy, guide missiles to targets. Combined with remote sensing data, it can be used to make 3D maps.

Banks can now transfer money in real time since they started using the coordinated global navigation satellite systems times worldwide, he said.

Currently Dr Satish Dhawan Professor at ISAC, Dr Pal is in the UN panel of experts on GNSS, which will ensure seamless coordination and activities using the multiple systems.

Meanwhile, the next satellite carrying the GAGAN navigation payload will be in orbit by this year-end, followed by two others with this payload.

The full GAGAN system sponsored by ISRO and the Airports Authority of India mainly to benefit the civil aviation sector would be in place by 2013, Dr Pal said. GSAT-4, the first satellite carrying the navigation payload, was lost in a failed launch on April 15.

The Hindu Business Line : Global Indian Navigation system on cards

 

[Kinetic]

Can anybody tell me what happend with our on system and what this will mean for it? I mean no Indian system anymore and only this co-development, or will we field it also?

Ofcourse Indian IRNSS is on card. But GLONASS has a global foot hold. I will give us military grade high accuracy signal.

 

[Ammyy]

Great news


Now we can get lot of advice from Russia cause they are old player in this field

 

[Yeti]

Good news we have many options now with both the GLONASS and our own IRNSS will be very handy in times of battle.

 

[IND151]

GLONASS will be used for both our strategic missiles and FGFA.

The Sukhoi T-50 fighter, pictured here, will be developed into the Indo-Russian Gen-5 fighter. It will be fed military data live from Russian GLONASS satellite network

by Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 26th Oct 10

The Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), already planned to be loaded with top-end combat features like advanced stealth and super-cruise capability, could also be plugged, uniquely, into a network of satellites. With Moscow willing to grant India unprecedented access to military signals from Russia’s constellation of GLONASS (GLObal NAvigation Satellite System) satellites, the FGFA could access real-time details of its own and enemy positions, terrain information, and have the ability to communicate with Indian forces anywhere on the globe.

A senior Russian diplomat, speaking anonymously to Business Standard, reveals that after extended negotiations with India, Moscow has okayed the provision of military data from GLONASS, in the form of digitized signals. So far, Russia had only agreed to provide India with civilian-grade navigation signals, which permitted an accuracy of 25-30 metres. Now, the military grade signals will allow a far higher accuracy, crucial for military operations.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the New Delhi-based Russian diplomat explained, “India is the only country that Moscow is willing to supply GLONASS military data to. Russia has recently okayed an agreement which officials from both sides have been negotiating for some time. From our side, we are ready to sign, even during (Russian president Dmitry) Medvedev’s visit to India this December.”

Business Standard first reported (11th Sept 10: “India, Russia to Ink gen-5 fighter pact&#8221 that India and Russia were set to sign a Preliminary Design Contract, to co-develop the FGFA, during Russian president Dmitry Medvedev’s visit to India this December. The FGFA programme, towards which each partner will contribute an initial US $6 billion, aims to develop the world’s premier fighter. The Russian and Indian air forces each plan to buy 250-300 of these aircraft.

Providing satellite navigation and communications to the FGFA would place the aircraft at a higher technological level than even the F-35 Lightning II, the futuristic fighter that America is currently developing. The F-35 uses satellite communications, but not satellite navigation.

Says the Russian diplomat, “It is next-generation features like real-time satellite navigation that will take the FGFA technologically far beyond Sukhoi’s T-50 prototype fighter, which made its first flight in January.”

Russia’s GLONASS network will provide navigational signals worldwide through a constellation of 24 satellites, 18 of which are already operational. America already has an operational satellite navigation system, called the Global Positioning System (GPS). The European Union is implementing its own Galileo system, while India is planning its own network, called Gagan.

India and Russia had earlier agreed to cooperate on the civilian aspects of GLONASS. In January 2007, during President Putin’s visit to India, Russia’s Federal Space Agency and the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) signed agreements to launch GLONASS satellites on Indian booster rockets and to jointly build new-generation satellites.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/10/5th-generation-fighter-to-plug-into.html

 

[Kinetic]

^^^ Good find. Lots of info about GLONASS and FGFA. As I said India will get access to military grade signals of GLONASS and full implementation of it for various strategic purposes.

the FGFA could access real-time details of its own and enemy positions, terrain information, and have the ability to communicate with Indian forces anywhere on the globe.

Excellent! Something more than just navigational capability.