India frustrated and left isolated in Afghanistan endgame with Pakistan on driving seat:

[Shahzaz ud din]

India frustrated and left isolated in Afghanistan endgame with Pakistan on driving seat: Report
25 Dec, 2018

KABUL - India is reportedly frustrated and felt left out from the Afghanistan endgame.

In order to pacify Indian concerns, America’s special envoy for reconciliation in Afghanistan link will update Indian officials on talks with the Taliban link and the future of Delhi-Washington partnership.

After a swing trough tenregion, including Abu Dhabi, Pakistan link and Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad would visit India in early January, Indian media reported on Monday.

India has not been satisfied with US efforts for holding reconciliation meetings with the Taliban without consultations with New Delhi, the Economic Times said in a report that.

Khalilzad visited the region twice in the recent months for negotiations with the Taliban, but he avoided going to New Delhi both times. This time around, the envoy will attend India’s foreign policy dialogue, scheduled for January 8-10.

Last week, after a brief stay in Islamabad, Khalilzad flew to Kabul to brief senior Afghan leaders, including President Ashraf Ghani, on his meetings with Taliban in Abu Dhabi.

 

[mudas777]

Lets not be carried away about winners and losers, a dying snake is more dangerous and we need to watch out for our own interests only.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Peace don't come that easily.
Indians do not need to worry.
They have half the Afghanistan working for them.
Afghans are also are addicted to us aid.
And would see to it, that peace won't come that smoothly..
If Americans are now in line and all other regions are trying hard for peace. Afghans won't let it be..
They don't want to give up their rule, and the aid they get.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Afganistan is no easy game!!! Folks from Afganistan fueled the Muslim onslaughts in different parts of the world!! For example, Horasan Erens (Horasan Saints) laid the foundation for the Islamic heritage in Anatolia, which gave rise to the Selchuk and Ottoman Empires!!! And, they did the same for the sub-continent!!! Both Jelaleddin Rumi (RA) and Moinuddin Chishti (RA) came from that place....

 

[BringHarmony]

You people are misreading what is happening in Afghanistan. US is pulling its regular forces and bringing in defence contractors. Its going to get much dirtier. Basically these contractors are goons for hire. Those who can pay them can make them do things one cann't even imagine. And they are well trained and equipped to boot.

 

[xyx007]

As Russia works with China and Pakistan to engage the Taliban. India might find itself regionally isolated. The Afghan government is too weak to assert its primacy in the process. These cheap tactics of India https://www.dawn.com/news/1453518/at-least-43-killed-in-kabul-govt-compound-attack killing innocent people to make reason US stay in the region is not long-term planning of New Dehli.This signify the end of Indian presence and investments in Afghanistan.

 

[BringHarmony]

As Russia works with China and Pakistan to engage the Taliban. India might find itself regionally isolated. The Afghan government is too weak to assert its primacy in the process. These cheap tactics of India https://www.dawn.com/news/1453518/at-least-43-killed-in-kabul-govt-compound-attack killing innocent people to make reason US stay in the region is not long-term planning of New Dehli.This signify the end of Indian presence and investments in Afghanistan.

May I ask what China has to gain by increasing its influence Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is an unstable state with no sea access and there are alternative paths to Russia and Eastern Europe going via Iran. All she needs to do is secure her lanes. Afghanistan is more of a headache for Pakistan and to a lesser degree Iran. Actually China will be happy to let India get bogged in this Afghanistan mess to keep Iran's roads open. She can simply route her goods to Russia and Eastern Europe via the upcoming north south corridor.

Let India keep, feed and clean after the cow while China can keep the milk.

Russia currently has her hands full too.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

May I ask what China has to gain by increasing its influence Afghanistan?

russia China Iran Pakistan are on same page for Afghanistan .
they all want usa out of Afghanistan see the pattern and timing of recent attacks on afghan forces . it isnt possible without proper guidance and satellite's help .

 

[BringHarmony]

russia China Iran Pakistan are on same page for Afghanistan .

To be on the same page, you need to have same interests.

What Chinese interests can Afghanistan serve?

For anything, Iran will be more than happy to accomodate China. It bring them money and China gets the route to Russia and beyond.

Honestly, I have only heard Pakistani repeating this line. Chinese foreign policies are much less interventionist but more influence oriented. Afghanistan does not have a proper government in place to influence and China will be extremely reluctant to jump in this mess.

Actually think it from a pure geographical point of view :

What interest China can have here.

Russia gets access to not one but three warm water ports via this route : 2 Iranian and possibly one in Pakistan. Solving their old problems. China already has a port and can get a path to Russia and beyond.

Afghanistan is a and has been a mess since far too long.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

What Chinese interests can Afghanistan serve?

american presence in tht area is a threat to Chinese National Security so do russian iranian and Pakistani .

 

[BringHarmony]

american presence in tht are is threat to Chinese national security .

Yes American presence is a threat. But where? American are breathing down their neck from Japan, Guam and pacific. Afghanistan is far flung corner. Remember, most of Chinese business and politics is concentrated in Eastern side.

Also Americans have been present in Afghanistan for many years and now they are retreating their regular force. Please remember it does not mean they are retreating. They are going to replace it with likes of Blackwater.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Yes American presence is a threat. But where? American are breathing down their neck from Japan, Guam and pacific. Afghanistan is far flung corner. Remember, most of Chinese business and politics is concentrated in Eastern side.

cuba is too far from usa as compare to Afghanistan from China . yet usa risk a nuclear war for it during missile crisis .

 

[xyx007]

May I ask what China has to gain by increasing its influence Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is an unstable state with no sea access and there are alternative paths to Russia and Eastern Europe going via Iran. All she needs to do is secure her lanes. Afghanistan is more of a headache for Pakistan and to a lesser degree Iran. Actually, China will be happy to let India get bogged in this Afghanistan mess to keep Iran's roads open. She can simply route her goods to Russia and Eastern Europe via the upcoming north-south corridor.

Let India keep, feed and clean after the cow while China can keep the milk.

Russia currently has her hands full too.

China is already Afghanistan’s biggest investor. In 2007 a Chinese firm took a $3 billion, 30-year lease for the Aynak copper mine in Afghanistan. All the Major mining bids win by Chinese in Afghanistan and Trumps now realize that at American soldiers in Afghanistan are only for the protection of Chinese investment that is why he's pulling out his army.
Companies from China have further expressed interest in the construction of a hydroelectric plant and a railway project in Afghanistan. China is busy in reconstruction activities, signing heavy aid packages and investing generously in Afghanistan's economy to bring stability in the war-torn country,
China has heavily invested in Pakistan and that is why it wants peace in at least those areas where its "One Belt One Road" project is being implemented.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

.

Also Americans have been present in Afghanistan for many years and now they are retreating their regular force. Please remember it does not mean they are retreating. They are going to replace it with likes of Blackwater.

nato and allies have more tech then any private organisations . yet they failed . black water will only empower Taliban and invite other countries to openly intervene.

 

[xyx007]

You people are misreading what is happening in Afghanistan. US is pulling its regular forces and bringing in defence contractors. Its going to get much dirtier. Basically these contractors are goons for hire. Those who can pay them can make them do things one cann't even imagine. And they are well trained and equipped to boot.

The private military industry was an answer to these political problems that had not existed in the past. It offered the potential backstop of additional forces, but with no one having to lose any political capital. Plus, the generals could avoid the career risk of asking for more troops. We have seen in Iraq -Blackwater contractors have been killed at a rate of nine per week. These figures mean that the private military industry has suffered more losses in Iraq than the rest of the coalition of allied nations combined. The losses are also far more than any single U.S. Army division has experienced. Hence, while private losses were just the “cost of doing business” for a firm in Iraq, they actually had an undisguised advantage to policymakers. Now, these bunch of retired scum bags in active war region. I can just laugh how they play without killing any civilian in Afghanistan