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From what I have heard the Russians are being "cute", they are making excuses - they will not allow indian access to the core technology, that is their final offer.
A far too simplistic assessment. They need India and their $30BN and why should hand over that kind of funds without receiving something substantial back? The two sides will find a compromise sooner or later, it's not really a big deal.
 
A far too simplistic assessment. They need India and their $30BN and why should hand over that kind of funds without receiving something substantial back? The two sides will find a compromise sooner or later, it's not really a big deal.

That is true, but they have probably spent billions developing this technology, they will not just hand it over, if you believe that, then you are deluded my friend.
 
The indian security deep state is very panicked, they are literally crying to Russia, for bringing their stealth plane on line.
The current inentory of IAF is more than enough to decimate an oppositon 2 times the size of PAF.So in reality there is no crying.All this is a hype which has been created by Indian media for trp's.
 
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The current inentory of IAF is more than enough to decimate an oppositon 2 times the size of PAF.So in reality there is no crying.All this a hype which has been created my Indian media for trp's.

We have no need to match india asset for asset, we have both current and planned deterrence that will allow enough damage to you to deter you from attacking us, this is both conventional and unconventional, this is why though modi is a mad dog - he will bark but will not bite.
 
We have no need to match india asset for asset, we have both current and planned deterrence that will allow enough damage to you to deter you from attacking us, this is both conventional and unconventional, this is why though modi is a mad dog - he will bark but will not bite.
You couldnt be more wrong here.Decisions like this are not taken by one man in India but taking all the parties in confidence unlike nations like Pakistan where armymen like Musharaff do one man army type operations in Kargil and end up getting humiliated and disowning own soldiers.I hope you understand my point.
 
You couldnt be more wrong here.Decisions like this are not taken by one man in India but taking all the parties in confidence unlike nations like Pakistan where armymen like Musharaff do one man army type operations in Kargil and end up getting humiliated and disowning own soldiers.I hope you understand my point.

blah blah blah, the simple truth is, if we were weak the hordes of indians would have attacked us already.
 
Yes, but it comes on the back of rapid development of 2 5th Gen Fighter projects, and the Russians are not willing to share in the core technology.
From what I have heard the Russians are being "cute", they are making excuses - they will not allow indian access to the core technology, that is their final offer.
Things dont work the way you hear things.Agreements are signed after hectic negotiations and are duly followed.This may come as a suprise to you but work on FGFA has started even before the deal for final R&D contract has been signed.
 
That is true, but they have probably spent billions developing this technology, they will not just hand it over, if you believe that, then you are deluded my friend.
You need read more PAKFA/FGFA deal between India and Russia.Russia aint the only one to spend billions of dollars here.We are dividing the costs 50-50 here.According to estimates we will end up spending about 35 billion dollars in this project.Secondly its funny you say this because may i remind you the same logic can be applied to JFT deal,although this is offtopic.
 
You need read more PAKFA/FGFA deal between India and Russia.Russia aint the only one to spend billions of dollars here.We are dividing the costs 50-50 here.According to estimates we will end up spending about 35 billion dollars in this project.Secondly its funny you say this because may i remind you the same logic can be applied to JFT deal,although this is offtopic.

The Russians are not willing to hand over the core technology no matter how much money you throw at it, the simple fact is that because you are close to the US, they don't trust you with it.
 
Good for us, we are going to go straight to 5th Gen, meanwhile 4th Gen F16's and JF17 are more than a match.
RAFALE is not for Pakistan.It is aimed at China majorly.And F-16 is no match for RAFALE let alone JF-17.I can post a detailed comparison if you want
The Russians are not willing to hand over the core technology no matter how much money you throw at it, the simple fact is that because you are close to the US, they don't trust you with it.
You assume a lot of things yourself which is not a good habit.Russia is helping us in minituarising nuclear reactors which will be used in our next generation nuclear powered SSN's.They are offering us there military grade signals.Our Indigenous BVR missiles uses Russians seekers and Nirbhay missile is speculated to have Russian engine.We are partners in yet another high profile project that is MTA.We manufacture Sukhoi's in India including engines from scratch.These things show that your claims are largely hollow.
Lastly all this is irrelevant since they would have not signed the agreement if they had trust issues,once it is signed it has to be followed strictly since we can hold the funding from our side.
PS-YOu may not know this but Indian engineers are already working in Russia for FGFA even before the final R&D contract has been signed.This alone shows the maturity of Indo-Russian relations.
 
RAFALE is not for Pakistan.It is aimed at China majorly.And F-16 is no match for RAFALE let alone JF-17.I can post a detailed comparison if you want

You assume a lot of things yourself which is not a good habit.Russia is helping us in minituarising nuclear reactors which will be used in our next generation nuclear powered SSN's.They are offering us there military grade signals.Our Indigenous BVR missiles uses Russians seekers and Nirbhay missile is speculated to have Russian engine.We are partners in yet another high profile project that is MTA.We manufacture Sukhoi's in India including engines from scratch.These things show that your claims are largely hollow.
Lastly all this is irrelevant since they would have not signed the agreement if they had trust issues,once it is signed it has to be followed strictly since we can hold the funding from our side.
PS-YOu may not know this but Indian engineers are already working in Russia for FGFA even before the final R&D contract has been signed.This alone shows the maturity of Indo-Russian relations.

Russia and india, no longer gonna be so close. They are gonna restrict access to most sensitive tech,
 

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