“India can help build democracy in Arab world”

[StingRoy]

You gave the answer yourself, you do BUSINESS with them, that is the only reason what Arab countries want to do with India. Islam allows to do activities like trade and commerce with infidels. And India can only do business with them. Nothing else!

Religious Police?

 

[TarikhiMusalman]

FYI, I have lived in Saudi Arabia for 12 years and have visited a number of Arab countries. The perception is nothing what you claim. Maybe its what you want it to be, but too bad that is not the case.

And what has this got to do with being loyal to Islam? Did you know that Allama Iqbal in 1930 clarifying his stand on India and its place for Muslims in it in Allahabad adress said that India is the greatest Muslim country in the world?

Allama Iqbal said that India is the greatest Muslim country before giving the Idea of Pakistan, because he became disillusioned, when Hindus began agitation against Muslims.

 

[JayAtl]

Allama Iqbal said that India is the greatest Muslim country before giving the Idea of Pakistan, because he became disillusioned, when Hindus began agitation against Muslims.

All your bases are belong to us ...err infidels







if you don't it - google that phrase above

 

[tanlixiang28776]

All your bases are belong to us ...err infidels

if you don't it - google that phrase above

You Korean or something?

 

[EjazR]

Allama Iqbal said that India is the greatest Muslim country before giving the Idea of Pakistan, because he became disillusioned, when Hindus began agitation against Muslims.

I don't want to go off-topic, but not once in his speech nor in his writings did he ever mention Pakistan in a supportin way.

It was this very 1930 speech that was published in the news papers as being a call for the Pakistan scheme by an old professor of his in England based on a Punjabi student's paper on this subject. Allama Iqbal, quickly replied that what he spoke about in 1930 only talked about autonomous Muslim majority provinces within India and that he doesn't support the Pakistan scheme. If you want links on this PM me and I will discuss this further.

Lets not go off-topic and make this about religion when its nothing to do with that.

 

[Andross]

In 825 Al-Khwārizmī wrote a treatise in Arabic, On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals, which was translated into Latin from Arabic in the 12th century as Algoritmi de numero Indorum, where Algoritmi, the translator's rendition of the author's name, gave rise to the word algorithm (Latin algorithmus, "calculation method").


Arabic numerals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TarikhiMusalman]

I don't want to go off-topic, but not once in his speech nor in his writings did he ever mention Pakistan in a supportin way.

It was this very 1930 speech that was published in the news papers as being a call for the Pakistan scheme by an old professor of his in England based on a Punjabi student's paper on this subject. Allama Iqbal, quickly replied that what he spoke about in 1930 only talked about autonomous Muslim majority provinces within India and that he doesn't support the Pakistan scheme. If you want links on this PM me and I will discuss this further.

Lets not go off-topic and make this about religion when its nothing to do with that.

You know this is quite funny, everybody knows and calls Allama Iqbal the spiritual father of Pakistan. And Indians will always babble and boast of their superiority of Akhand Bharata.

We have read Iqbal since our childhood and celebrate him as our national poet and philosopher and here an Indian is saying that he only wanted autonomy for some provinces. Indians will never get rid of their chauvinistic views.

 

[JayAtl]

^^^ and ALLAH loves and has been really good to India too. Infact considering India's diversity seems India is much loved by all gods - come over to the dark side with us infidels

 

[TarikhiMusalman]

^^^ and ALLAH loves and has been really good to India too. Infact considering India's diversity seems India is much loved by all gods

I believe you are no one to decide whom Allah loves.

 

[Bang Galore]

Democracy is just like love, it must come from within

By Shashi Tharoor

Egypt’s fate has had the world riveted in recent days to newspapers and televisions, as the unfolding consequences of Tunisia’s “Jasmine Revolution” seem to portend a wave like the liberal revolutions of 1848 for the Arab world. Amateur historians ask breathlessly whether this could be the year of decisive change in the Middle East, the year when regime after regime falls prey to rising discontent with authoritarian rulers who have failed to deliver decent lives to their people. Who could be next: Yemen? Libya? Sudan? Even Jordan?

Watching these events from afar, I find it difficult to escape the conclusion that it is not authoritarian rule per se that is being challenged in the streets, much as we democrats would like to believe otherwise; rather, authoritarian rule has simply failed to deliver the goods. Dictatorial rule has been accepted in each of these countries for decades. What the protestors were shouting for was not just freedom but dignity – the dignity that comes from having a job worth doing, enough food to eat, and the hope of a better life for their children.

The biggest failures of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali in Tunisia may not have been their repressive politics but their failed economics. If young men had not been unemployed and struggling to make ends meet, feed themselves, and be able to offer a home to the young women they desire, they would not be risking their lives and freedom calling for the overthrow of their governments.

And yet one is tempted to ask: Would a different political approach have avoided regime collapse? In other words, could democracy have provided a sufficient outlet for the grievances of jobless and frustrated youth?

The Indian experience offers an instructive model. Unlike most developing countries – including every country in the Arab world – India, upon attaining its independence from colonial rule, did not choose to adopt an authoritarian system in the name of nation-building and economic development. Instead, it chose democracy.

British rule left India impoverished, diseased, and undeveloped, with an appalling 18 percent literacy rate. The British-determined partition with Pakistan added communal violence, the trauma of destruction and displacement, and 13 million refugees to this list of woes. India’s nationalist leaders would have been forgiven for arguing that they needed dictatorial authority to cope with such immense problems, especially in the most diverse society on earth, riddled with religious, linguistic, and caste divisions. But they did not.

They decided, instead, that democracy, for all its imperfections, was the best way to overcome these problems, because it gave everyone a stake in solving them. Democracy reflected India’s diversity, since Indians are accustomed to the idea of difference. The Indian idea is that a nation may contain different castes, creeds, colors, convictions, cuisines, costumes and customs, yet still rally around a consensus. And that consensus is the simple idea that in a democracy you don’t really need to agree – except on the ground rules for how you will disagree.

Indian nationalism has therefore always been the nationalism of an idea – the idea of one land embracing many, a land emerging from an ancient civilization, united by a shared history and sustained by a pluralist political system.

India’s democracy imposes no narrow conformities on its citizens. The whole point of Indian pluralism is that you can be many things and one thing: you can be a good Muslim, a good Keralite, and a good Indian all at once. The Indian idea is the opposite of what Freudians call “the narcissism of minor differences.” In India, we celebrate the commonality of major differences.

If America is famously a “melting pot,” then to me India is a thali, a selection of sumptuous dishes in different bowls. Each tastes different, and does not necessarily mix with the next, but they belong together on the same plate, and they complement each other in making the meal satisfying.

Amid India’s myriad problems, it is democracy that has given Indians of every imaginable variety the chance to break free of their lot. There is social oppression and caste tyranny, particularly in rural India, but Indian democracy offers the victims a means of escape, and often – thanks to the determination with which the poor and oppressed exercise their franchise – of triumph. The significant changes since independence in the social composition of India’s ruling class, both in politics and in the bureaucracy – with leaders from the formerly “untouchable” and backward castes elected to high office – have vindicated democracy in practice.

The result is that, though economic difficulties – rising prices, corruption, and unemployment – persist, they have not led to demonstrations calling for regime change. Indians know that they can use other means – debates in Parliament, political alliance-making, and eventually the ballot box – to bring about the changes they desire. Democratic accountability also guarantees responsive government. Indian governments act today for fear of electoral retribution tomorrow. That is an incentive that Mubarak and Ben Ali never had.

India has always been reluctant to preach democracy to others. Its own history of colonial rule makes it wary of preaching its ways to foreign civilizations, and underscores its conviction that each country must determine its own political destiny.

Democracy, in any case, is rather like love: it must come from within, and cannot be taught. Nevertheless, for Arab rulers looking uneasily at the lessons of events in Tunisia and Egypt, the example of India might be well worth heeding.


Shashi Tharoor, a former Indian minister of state for external affairs and United Nations undersecretary-general, is a member of India’s Parliament and the author of several books, most recently “Nehru: the Invention of India” (in German). THE DAILY STAR publishes this commentary in collaboration with Project Syndicate © (Project Syndicate - the highest quality op-ed ( opinion-editorial ) articles and commentaries).

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[JayAtl]

I believe you are no one to decide whom Allah loves.

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