it will happen with or with out you ,like it or not!
whats the deal with india ?anyway let the chinese enter its not like they will eat you or something
There is something called veto power, it won't happen with us, and it can't happen without us.
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it will happen with or with out you ,like it or not!
whats the deal with india ?anyway let the chinese enter its not like they will eat you or something
What is there to imagine?
Pakistans induction in SCO will be veoted by Russia if India's is by China.
The only place Pakistan can get in without India spoiling the plans is GCC. You are welcome to join there.

How exactly will exporting "fruits, vegetables and cement" to India significantly impact Pakistan's economic growth rate?


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if I tell you something then instead of laughing you will go to Dehli and slap those Lalas that have put restrictions on Pakistani imports. you see Pakistani cement is way cheaper than India but India wont let the people and small business benefit from the low cost of building out of simple animosity towards Pakistan. this trade thing is a two way process with a little bit of open heart and less fat on the eyes...
shame that never happens
Russia is trying to mend ties with Pakistan and SCO needs our ports for its logistical transits as well as for defeating terrorists who might hit them.![]()
No. You can keep thinking of what SCO 'needs', but the fact is that the end of the day Pakistan will not get into SCO if India is stopped.Russia is trying to mend ties with Pakistan and SCO needs our ports for its logistical transits as well as for defeating terrorists who might hit them.![]()
lets wait and seeThere is something called veto power, it won't happen with us, and it can't happen without us.
Imagine if China vetos Indian induction in SCO. Pakistan will be an SCO member, ECO as well as SAARC while we'll get an observer status in GCC too. We don't wan't to be in SAARC but we have to be there so we can spoil your party by itroducing a bigger fish to the pond![]()

There is no 'wait and see'. SAARC charter mandates consensus. India refusing means its a no-go.lets wait and see
I don't see Bangladesh and Pakistan as being that competitive in manufacturing - in fact, Pakistan is struggling in comparison to Bangladesh with many Pakistani textile companies relocating to Bangladesh. In addition, if Bangladesh and Pakistan really were that competitive in manufacturing, industries would be relocating their manufacturing facilities to these countries (which they are in the case of Pakistani textile manufacturers moving to Bangladesh) irrespective of the opening up of SAARC.There is no domination in economically. Were markets to open up with China and India, the result would be slightly different - China would take manufacturing, India would take away the services.
There is zero benefit of China actually joining up. But were China to not join up, other countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan would take up manufacturing - because India is not competitive there.
That's all fine, but irrelevant to the discussion of why India is opposing China's SAARC membership.And Markets are already in the process of being opened up bilaterally between SAARC countries minus Pakistan. SAARC only expedites the process as a collective. India is already cognizant of the fact that Pakistan will not let it function so we are moving ahead individually.
We already opened up a group called BIMSTEC(google it) - basically it is SAARC without Pakistan because of realizing the futility of dealing with Pakistan which acts as an outpost for others interests than acting for itself.
Then we moved on and decided that treating bilaterally for trade and economics makes more sense - and that is what we are doing now.
Pakistan has been trying to get open market access to the US for decades now, and the US did not oblige with even limited access during the days when US-Pakistan cooperation over Afghanistan was excellent, so I really don't see why the US would open up its markets to SAARC.If just increased economic ties are the goal - then it makes more sense to have Japan, France and US along with China in SAARC as well. They have as much economic justification - as key investors, donors, developmental assistance providers as China and infact larger than China in these assistance's .
And yes - all these nations are keen to join SAARC, US in particular is very keen.
China is geographically contiguous, it is a developing country like the other SAARC countries. China as a member would balance out SAARC in terms of having 2 large economies and States in the group instead of just one, and she is actually interested in being part of the group - like I said above, I don't see the same enthusiasm on the part of the other countries you mentioned.Then what is the point of having SAARC if we are to involve China and these nations? We can deal directly with WTO if that is the case.
Why politically? What common political goals are you suggesting SAARC advance that will be hindered by the presence of China?Now the fact is that just economic ties are not the only goal of SAARC - it is also a platform for South Asian countries to sit together politically. Including China, US, Japan and a host of other nations defeats the other part of the goal of SAARC.
once again lets wait and see,china s got dough,it can help us all economically and socially you do realize that?There is no 'wait and see'. SAARC charter mandates consensus. India refusing means its a no-go.
I do believe those are the "goods" you mentioned in a previous post that Pakistan could export to India - do you disagree?Were u serious here??![]()
There is no 'wait and see'. SAARC charter mandates consensus. India refusing means its a no-go.
Industries are infact locating to Bangladesh. That is testament to how it will help the smaller neighbours.I don't see Bangladesh and Pakistan as being that competitive in manufacturing - in fact, Pakistan is struggling in comparison to Bangladesh with many Pakistani textile companies relocating to Bangladesh. In addition, if Bangladesh and Pakistan really were that competitive in manufacturing, industries would be relocating their manufacturing facilities to these countries (which they are in the case of Pakistani textile manufacturers moving to Bangladesh) irrespective of the opening up of SAARC.
For political reasons.That's all fine, but irrelevant to the discussion of why India is opposing China's SAARC membership.
US is rather keen on joining up and they have pushed India repeatedly to get them in.That is all wonderful - Pakistan has been trying to get open market access to the US for decades now, and the US did not oblige with even limited access during the days when US-Pakistan cooperation over Afghanistan was excellent, so I really don't see why the US would open up its markets to SAARC. While the US might express "interest" in joining SAARC, it is all just "diplo-speak' - historically US trade agreements have been bilateral or with established and functioning blocs like the EU. There is no chance of the US opening up her markets to SAARC nations at this point since the US does not see any major benefits in bilateral trade agreements with any of the SAARC member States, aside from India. But that is just my view on it - I have no objections in SAARC granting membership to the US, I just don't see the US opening up her markets even if she is made a member.
China is geographically contiguous, it is a developing country like the other SAARC countries. China as a member would balance out SAARC in terms of having 2 large economies and States in the group instead of just one, and she is actually interested in being part of the group - like I said above, I don't see the same enthusiasm on the part of the other countries you mentioned.
Because our geography and peculiar political needs are different and therefore needs a separate grouping. I am surprised at your question.Why politically? What common political goals are you suggesting SAARC advance that will be hindered by the presence of China?