India and Vietnam to sign a defence pact amid China’s growing aggression in region

[Water Car Engineer]

actually it is smaller version of Saryu class, it is 75m long where Saryu is 105m long, also displacement is low

Yeah, takes redundant space out and adds cruise missiles, basically better.

 

[Gessler]

can you give me more details about it ? what will be its price ?

Price details are not known - they will be revealed to the customer only after RFI is sent, as far as I know. But since
this would be a direct govt-to-govt deal, it's not likely we'll hear about the RFI.

The final contract value will be revealed after signing, then we'll know.

 

[Gessler]

Yeah, takes redundant space out and adds cruise missiles, basically better.

I think we can't really compare the two - eventhough yes it is based on Saryu-class design. The 75m ship will
serve as a Guided Missile Corvette (although GSL defines it as an OPV) while the original Saryu only serves as heavy-class
OPV.

Armament-wise there's no comparison as Saryu doesn't have missiles, but in other duties like endurance, range etc. Saryu
is x2 of these smaller versions. Range & displacement of Saryu are like twice that of Type-056/GSL 75M OPV.

Saryu is a beautiful design -

BTW, do you know the 5 follow-on vessels of 2300+ ton OPVs are being built by Pipavav Shipyard, the first ship
should be delivered by end of this year or early next year, as far as I know, an undisclosed country (most probably
Nigeria) has also signed up for 4 of these ships in a $452 million deal. It's not exactly known if they will only serve as
OPV or if they too will be modified to carry cruise missiles Pipavav Seals Indian Export Record $ 452 Million OPV Deal -

Here's another pic of the GSL 75m OPV -

 

[Gessler]

It's also possible that Vietnam may get the 105-meter vessels with cruise missiles, who's performance & range would be
on par with Saryu ( 2200 tons & 6,000 NM range) while Sri Lanka gets 2 of the 75-meter OPVs as part of a financial
assistance package that was approved last month.

 

[Abingdonboy]

BTW, do you know the 5 follow-on vessels of 2300+ ton OPVs are being built by Pipavav Shipyard, the first ship

What's the name of this class of 5 for the IN?

 

[Mercenary]

What kind of Weapons will India possibly export to Vietnam which are 100% Indian?

 

[mike2000]

What kind of Weapons will India possibly export to Vietnam which are 100% Indian?

Well we should all be level headed, Its true India will find it difficult to export sophisticated weapons to Vietnam or any other country for that matter that are 100% Indian, without Russia(or Israel/West) being a part of it/JV etc. So this makes it quite difficult for India to supply weapons to friendly countries and further its interests. This complicates matter for India, since in this case the only weapons it can sell that are really 100% Indian made, it needs to give offer concessional loans/gifts/grants for these countries to even think of purchasing them(mainly because they have better options). This makes it more difficult because countries like Vietnam have better options like Russia from which most of Indian weapons are derived/produced under JV, so most countries like Vietnam will rather purchase them directly from Russia/ukraine etc.

In this case, India has to prioritize its own national defence industries, at all cost. Since this will not only provide India with the necessary know how/Knowledge but will also help boost its economy, since a large defence industry/military complex has several spin offs to other sectors of the economy. So this will have a multiplier effects of helping India Boosts its economy/defence industry and help it further its international influence/interests by exporting such arms to friendly countries, thereby solidifying itself has a credible world power in its own rights(without depending on others) like the U.S,Russia, U.K, France, China and Germany are doing today.

Im sure with proper planning/vision and determination, India can achieve this in the coming decades.
As for this deal, its good for Vietnam, since it has nothing much to lose, but everything to gain in such a loan/credit for acquiring some defence equipments to add to its inventory. Though its not really a big defence deal like the one Vietnam often signs with Russia and other countries. But still a good start.

 

[Mercenary]

Well we should all be level headed, Its true India will find it difficult to export sophisticated weapons to Vietnam or any other country for that matter that are 100% Indian, without Russia(or Israel/West) being a part of it/JV etc. So this makes it quite difficult for India to supply weapons to friendly countries and further its interests. This complicates matter for India, since in this case the only weapons it can sell that are really 100% Indian made, it needs to give offer concessional loans/gifts/grants for these countries to even think of purchasing them(mainly because they have better options). This makes it more difficult because countries like Vietnam have better options like Russia from which most of Indian weapons are derived/produced under JV, so most countries like Vietnam will rather purchase them directly from Russia/ukraine etc.

In this case, India has to prioritize its own national defence industries, at all cost. Since this will not only provide India with the necessary know how/Knowledge but will also help boost its economy, since a large defence industry/military complex has several spin offs to other sectors of the economy. So this will have a multiplier effects of helping India Boosts its economy/defence industry and help it further its international influence/interests by exporting such arms to friendly countries, thereby solidifying itself has a credible world power in its own rights(without depending on others) like the U.S,Russia, U.K, France, China and Germany are doing today.

Im sure with proper planning/vision and determination, India can achieve this in the coming decades.
As for this deal, its good for Vietnam, since it has nothing much to lose, but everything to gain in such a loan/credit for acquiring some defence equipments to add to its inventory. Though its not really a big defence deal like the one Vietnam often signs with Russia and other countries. But still a good start.

India cannot export any weapons which are not 100% Indian due to technology in those weapons if they come from non-India sources. Such as the Brahmos Missile which has components from Russia. And not only that, Vietnam-China have a rivalry and Russia sells large numbers of Weaponry to China and so Russia will be opposed to India selling Russian weaponry to Vietnam.

So what are some truly indigenous 100% Indian Weapon Platforms which are export worthy to Vietnam?

 

[mike2000]

India cannot export any weapons which are not 100% Indian due to technology in those weapons if they come from non-India sources. Such as the Brahmos Missile which has components from Russia. And not only that, Vietnam-China have a rivalry and Russia sells large numbers of Weaponry to China and so Russia will be opposed to India selling Russian weaponry to Vietnam.

So what are some truly indigenous 100% Indian Weapon Platforms which are export worthy to Vietnam?

Well i partly agree with you, however you should know that this in itself isn't for defence purpose per say, But its more of a political message both countries are trying to send. Of course India will find it difficult/if not impossible to meet Vietnams defence needs, since India still finds it difficult to meet even its own defence needs, so they dont have much room for exprts in the first place. However, they can still make priority to supply some countries like Vietnam with some critical weapons like Brahmos, though as you said they will need Russia's permission, which complicates matters.
Hopefully India will start producing its critical defence products by itself and thus enabling it to have more independence to export such weapons abroad without any foreign power consent/persmission

 

[kaku1]

It's displacement is roughly the same as Type-056 corvette, but packs a bigger punch due to 8 x cruise missile.

Range of 3,000 NM is sufficient for Vietnam. It's quite cheap too.

What you think about air-defense on this ships? Barak 8? May be the Vietnam should go for 3500 tonne frigate instead of Corvette. And give this contract to private shipyard like L&T or Pipavav.

It may have 8 cells of UVLS, that include klub missile and Barak 8, or in future it can be replaced with Brahmos for anti-ship role.

If we take the baseline as Talwar Class, it may cost as $200-300 mn.

can you give me more details about it ? what will be its price ?

My estimates that these will cost around $70-100 mn, if these are only for anti ship role. And not going for VLS or big package of anti-air role like Barak 8.

BTW, @Gessler what you think about selling Akash SAM and 5-6 Battery of Prahaar?

 

[BDforever]

My estimates that these will cost around $70-100 mn, if these are only for anti ship role. And not going for VLS or big package of anti-air role like Barak 8.

ok almost same as Type056corvette whose primary role is anti-submarine warfare, but post says it cost 452million USD for 4 to Nigeria

 

[kaku1]

ok almost same as Type056corvette whose primary role is anti-submarine warfare, but post says it cost 452million USD for 4 to Nigeria

Nigerian contract was never disclosed, and it always remain ambiguous that even it existed or not, until we deliver those ship to Nigeria.

On the other hand, if the Vietnam goes for full package of Frigate (3500 tonne) including UVLS, Klub and Barak 8, then it definitely sky rocketed to $200-$250 mn.

 

[BDforever]

Nigerian contract was never disclosed, and it always remain ambiguous that even it existed or not, until we deliver those ship to Nigeria.

On the other hand, if the Vietnam goes for full package of Frigate (3500 tonne) including UVLS, Klub and Barak 8, then it definitely sky rocketed to $200-$250 mn.

are you planning to export Talwar class frigate ?

 

[kaku1]

are you planning to export Talwar class frigate ?

Why? Every 3500 tonne frigate in world is Talwar? BTW, Talwar is not made in India.

 

[BDforever]

Why? Every 3500 tonne frigate in world is Talwar? BTW, Talwar is not made in India.

just asking, so which frigate are you planning to export ?