In 1962 We Did a Strategic Blunder, Will We Get Another Chance This Time!

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

we were a US colony back then!

We still are unfortunately, even if we want to break the shackles, US puppets force us back in.

 

[Joe Shearer]

This was a chance of the century. What they dont mention is that Ayub Khan for some odd reason was thinking of giving india a safe passage through GB to open a new front against China on US and UK demands. Horrendous!
Ayub admin sadly trusted US a lot.

Just after war, hindutvas started raiding kashmir and killing civilians and started the rann of kuch conflict. So, we got nothing.

Pakistan should only trust itself and its friend China. Pakistan should always quickly mobilize its forces in strike formation whenever hindus are engaged with China. Hindus did the same when Quaid died they immediately attacked hyderabad state.

LOL.

You should read Ayub's memoirs.

The Rann of Kutch conflict was planned as a trial run to prove the efficacy of the American equipment that Pakistan had. There were only Indian policemen on patrol when Pakistan moved in regular troops; the 8th Infantry Division and 2 Armoured Regiments. The actual conflict started with an artillery barrage on 9th April that killed several policemen.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

This is very rational. If someone in GHQ or Farigh office is worried about 'hamara image and enternational comoonity' , they are on the wrong side of history. Whenever, Pakistan has been engaged internally, india has struck and nobody cared about 'image'. Case in point, 71 crisis, 84 siachen when our military was (needlessly) busy internally, and 2002-present.

Look what Turkey,UAE and others are doing globally they dont care, its our paid puppets that are more worried about loosing their STIPENDS and PERKS.

 

[Joe Shearer]

This was a chance of the century. What they dont mention is that Ayub Khan for some odd reason was thinking of giving india a safe passage through GB to open a new front against China on US and UK demands. Horrendous!
Ayub admin sadly trusted US a lot.

Just after war, hindutvas started raiding kashmir and killing civilians and started the rann of kuch conflict. So, we got nothing.

Pakistan should only trust itself and its friend China. Pakistan should always quickly mobilize its forces in strike formation whenever hindus are engaged with China. Hindus did the same when Quaid died they immediately attacked hyderabad state.

Where would the Indian Army have gone through GB? Just curiosity.

You do realise that the Chinese were 180 deg. in the opposite direction?

 

[Asian.Century]

In 1962, inspite of having Western Arms ,Ammunition and Support, India was defeated by China on a massive scale and ended up losing 43,000 square kilometres of its held territory. With most of the Indian forces tied up towards China, Pakistan had a golden chance to LIBERATE Kashmir. Unfortunately our top leadership was made to believe that the US will help to us to resolve the Kashmir issue. Till to date from Kennedy to Trump US has just given us lollipops.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266427688983711744

Moving forward have we learned anything from our past mistakes,are we ready to confront India decisively and are the current hostile Chinese deployments a prelude to another GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY!
We have four months left before the winter, to make up our minds. It will be even better that every thing is going as planned between Pakistan and China!. With India Fragmented deep down and the Kashmiris more determined than ever. This maybe the ULTIMATE CHANCE we waited for nearly Sixty years!!!

Yes poor planning by Generals, Pakistan Army should not look for short term goal achievement, should be dug-in for long fight, Pakistan Army fought for 20 years since 2001 in War on Terror, worst ever war, and eventually won. Same Pakistan Army, ISI should have concrete plans and fight till last effort. Pakistan always gave in to US, Western Pressure, hence no results, no goals achievement for Pakistan Army and Pakistani civilian leadership regarding Kashmir or Sir Creek etc.

Massive Strategic blunder. if Kashmir was in Pakistan hands, Pakistan army would be looking into Ladakh, Khalistan and other Indian territories it could get finally liberated.

All the Pakistani senior leadership are lousy, given fake backing, LoL. Till to date from Kennedy to Trump US has just given us lollipops and still continuing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266432140025135105

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Massive Strategic blunder. if Kashmir was in Pakistan hands, Pakistan army would be looking into Ladakh, Khalistan and other Indian territories it could get finally liberated.

The US is not our friend and will never come to help us, we should forever bear this in our mind. Had we taken Kashmir back in 1962, there would have been no other major wars with India and our economy would have been among the first 20.

 

[Asian.Century]

The US is not our friend and will never come to help us, we should forever bear this in our mind. Had we taken Kashmir back in 1962, there would have been no other major wars with India and our economy would have been among the first 20.

US is our transactional friend, an interest based. Pakistan should always deal better with US. I donot think US is an enemy of Pakistan, so Pakistan should never treat US as an enemy but Pakistan should be independent, like make decisions based on what Pakistan's interests are. Depending too much on lollipops and peanuts at the cost of thinking US will help save Pakistan, it will never. Today a war is fought US, Isreal will support India over Pakistan, so Pakistani calculus should be squarely dependent on that as was on 27th Feb, Look at the lollipops given by Trump to Pakistan Imran Khan and Army leadership about mediating Kashmir issue, LoL.

So if Russia, China, or Israel as got to do, get a mission done, they will do it, despite the consequences of world sanctions, isolation etc. get the job done. Pakistan should not be dependent on anyone else, as it always have been Pakistan alone fighting in past 4 decades if you see what I mean.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Prep!! Prep!!! And, more Preps.....

Some "food for thought" for the preps:

ASELSAN airborne stand-off jammer:

ASELSAN land-based EW system (200 km range), extremely successful in Syria, Libya etc. against the Russian (including S-400), French and Israeli systems :

ASELSAN KORKUT close-air support:

ASELSAN medium range AD, HISAR-O:

ASELSAN low range AD HISAR-A:

TAI/Bayraktar UAVs of all sorts including all sorts of munitions for tactical, strategic. EW, ELINT, SIGINT etc. ops:

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

A scenario made in Heaven by Allah i would say!

As mentioned before in other threads, the Indians r surrounded by 3 fronts in Kashmir

Pakistan in the west/northwest
China in the north/northeast/east
The fifth column within

As mentioned before in other threads, the Indians r surrounded by 3 fronts in Kashmir

Pakistan in the west/northwest
China in the north/northeast/east
The fifth column within

Atually, there r 4 fronts, if we add in their politicians/top level commanders who gobble up funds meant for ammo/equipment/FOOD for the Indian army in Kashmir

 

[Jackdaws]

Are you sure , a lot of US made ammunition was seized in the the battle of Rann of Kutch by us.
India got generous aid from Kennedy.
https://www.rediff.com/news/special...he-us-came-to-indias-aid-in-1962/20121204.htm

Yes. If I remember correctly, immediately after the Cuban Missile Crisis ended Kennedy rushed a lot of weaponry to Indian. The Chinese could have taken what is North East India today but known as NEFA then. There was a speech by Nehru "My heart goes out to the people of Assam" or some such.

I am a fan of Nehru and his ideals. But China was a complete disaster. I remember reading that he stormed out of a presentation made by British authorities who were trying to sell weapons to India stating that went against Indian ethos. Gandhi picked Nehru to be PM for his idealism, not his pragmatism. He was a genuine institution builder and actually gave a fillip to the Opposition. His daughter tarnished the family name and the rest of the descendants have been idiots. It's a shame really.

 

[PradoTLC]

n. It is untrue that India had Western Arms, ammo or support. Indians were ill equipped with vintage rifles, lacking of mountain fighting gear while Chinese had more modern Soviet weapon

more important Chinese army undergone 2 years of heavy combat with US & UN...in Korea

so indian army must have seen like a cake walk to them

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

As mentioned before in other threads, the Indians r surrounded by 3 fronts in Kashmir

India is going to pay heavily for its complacency and overconfidence.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

more important Chinese army undergone 2 years of heavy combat with US & UN...in Korea


so indian army must have seen like a cake walk to them

They claim the Chinese 'have not fought wars in its recent history'

this is a simple

IQ 82 leads to overconfidence


They dont know what is a real 'war' at all- China and its preceding empires have fought and lost hundreds of millions of men to wars in its multi-millenia of history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

China and its empires are always at the top few of every list- from ancient to modern wars

If anything, the Chinese are the world's most war-tenacious people

 

[PradoTLC]

They claim the Chinese 'have not fought wars in its recent history'

indian claim is a credible as their LCA...