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IK the great leader got hoodwinked? How's that possible that he would abandon his democratic views.

He is among the smartest dude in Pak politics. then who forced him to openly invite martial law.

It still is puzzling.

Here is an interestoing view point from Ilyas Khan of BBC


ASIA
5 September 2014 Last updated at 15:08 ET

The surreal world of Pakistan's 'political circus'


By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, Islamabad
When they first arrived on Islamabad's sprawling Kashmir Highway three weeks ago, the anti-government protesters were burning with the desire to tear down the citadels of power - and make short work of it.
They looked around, saw what seemed like a million heads as their leaders had predicted, and punched the air harder, shouting: "Down with Nawaz Sharif".
But Pakistan's prime minister is still in place.
Most of them have since lost interest and left the scene. Others, who still feel obliged to hang on, keep asking journalists: "Will it end soon? Will talks succeed?"
The army 'umpire'
Across the fence, beyond the shipping containers which are piled one over the other to create hurdles for protesters, saunter weary-looking, bored policemen.
The days when thousands of them shuffled into line and beat their batons against their glass shields to create the overawing sound of battle are behind them.
Their only wish now seems to be that the government gives them orders to finish the job and go home.
Most of them have been shipped to Islamabad from hundreds of miles away, leaving behind their families, clothing, toiletries and daily routines. And it has been more than a month.
The key to defuse the confrontation between these two sets of adversaries lies in the hands of their respective mobilisers - one controlling the seat of power, the other lodged in two shipping containers parked side-by-side on the road outside.
There may be a third contender to the issue - the "umpire" - if one is to believe Imran Khan, one of the leaders in the containers.
He has been elusive about what exactly he means when he talks about the "umpire" but most Pakistanis understand this to be a reference to the country's military.
This scene in Islamabad illustrates yet again the enigma that the Pakistani state has become for many around the world.
It is seen as a country marred by perpetual political instability, militant attacks, a separatist insurgency across more than 40 per cent of its landmass, and a country that is eternally on the verge of economic collapse.
But it is also a country which has not descended into anarchy, can beat militancy at will, whose claim of being a "responsible" nuclear power is taken seriously in international power centres, and which continues to compete with India - which is ten times bigger - for strategic one-upmanship in the South Asian region.
A coup history
In the 1970s, and again in the 1990s, there were widespread protests across important urban centres aiming to bring down elected governments.
In 1976, the bone of contention was the election, which the opposition alleged was rigged. In the 1990s, the protests mostly centred on the allegations of corruption.
On all those occasions, the governments were toppled. In 1977, we had a military coup. During the 1990s, presidents backed by the military used special constitutional powers to topple four elected governments one after the other.
The present stand-off more closely resembles the 1977 model, where the president did not have the special powers to sack the government, and so the military must stage a direct coup if it wants to intervene.
But a coup has not come, even though the military has kept to its pattern of the 1990s; instead of throwing its weight behind the government, it has made noises that amount to providing both players with what some analysts call a "level playing field".
So as the protesters and the policemen slug it out on the streets, it is the role of the army that has been central to most debates in parliament, the two shipping containers, the media and the drawing rooms of the chattering classes.
Government not isolated
The two protesting leaders have separate agendas.
Cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan's PTI party wants "freedom" from what it sees as a faulty electoral system. It accuses Prime Minister Sharif's government of having stolen last year's elections, wants it to quit and wants fresh elections, but after electoral reforms.
In the neighbouring container, cleric Tahirul Qadri is espousing a wider, "revolutionary" agenda; he wants "moral reforms" which would be undertaken by a set of "clean" individuals holding state power over a longer period of time.
He also wants the Punjab chief minister's scalp for the 14 June police action in which 16 of his disciples were killed.
The calls from the two leaders for the government's ousting have fallen on deaf ears, and have led the ruling and opposition forces in parliament to close ranks. This is unlike the 1990s, when opposition forces tended to gravitate to the protesters, isolating the government.
So the residents of Islamabad, the audiences of the Pakistani news channels all over the country and the world are witnessing an extended version of what former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, used to call the "political circus".
Every day has the same grinding pattern now.
It begins with the parliamentarians in their rhetorical speeches warning against threats to democracy from the "container leaders" and the "institutions" - a euphemism for the military.
The night begins with hyperbole from the "container leaders" calling the parliamentarians "thieves" and reiterating their resolve to stand their ground until the "umpire" lifts his finger, as in a cricket match when a batsman is declared out.
Meanwhile, the protesters and the policemen have their eyes and ears on the on-again-off-again talks.
A PTI leader said yesterday the government has agreed to 5.5 out of his party's six demands. Others say a rapprochement with Mr Qadri is also on the cards.
But many are of the view that a resolution will come quickly once a set of completely different issues - concerning national security and regional policy - are settled with the country's "umpire".

BBC News - The surreal world of Pakistan's 'political circus'
 
IK the great leader got hoodwinked? How's that possible that he would abandon his democratic views.

He is among the smartest dude in Pak politics. then who forced him to openly invite martial law.

It still is puzzling.

Here is an interestoing view point from Ilyas Khan of BBC


ASIA
5 September 2014 Last updated at 15:08 ET
The surreal world of Pakistan's 'political circus'


By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, Islamabad
When they first arrived on Islamabad's sprawling Kashmir Highway three weeks ago, the anti-government protesters were burning with the desire to tear down the citadels of power - and make short work of it.
They looked around, saw what seemed like a million heads as their leaders had predicted, and punched the air harder, shouting: "Down with Nawaz Sharif".
But Pakistan's prime minister is still in place.
Most of them have since lost interest and left the scene. Others, who still feel obliged to hang on, keep asking journalists: "Will it end soon? Will talks succeed?"
The army 'umpire'
Across the fence, beyond the shipping containers which are piled one over the other to create hurdles for protesters, saunter weary-looking, bored policemen.
The days when thousands of them shuffled into line and beat their batons against their glass shields to create the overawing sound of battle are behind them.
Their only wish now seems to be that the government gives them orders to finish the job and go home.
Most of them have been shipped to Islamabad from hundreds of miles away, leaving behind their families, clothing, toiletries and daily routines. And it has been more than a month.
The key to defuse the confrontation between these two sets of adversaries lies in the hands of their respective mobilisers - one controlling the seat of power, the other lodged in two shipping containers parked side-by-side on the road outside.
There may be a third contender to the issue - the "umpire" - if one is to believe Imran Khan, one of the leaders in the containers.
He has been elusive about what exactly he means when he talks about the "umpire" but most Pakistanis understand this to be a reference to the country's military.
This scene in Islamabad illustrates yet again the enigma that the Pakistani state has become for many around the world.
It is seen as a country marred by perpetual political instability, militant attacks, a separatist insurgency across more than 40 per cent of its landmass, and a country that is eternally on the verge of economic collapse.
But it is also a country which has not descended into anarchy, can beat militancy at will, whose claim of being a "responsible" nuclear power is taken seriously in international power centres, and which continues to compete with India - which is ten times bigger - for strategic one-upmanship in the South Asian region.
A coup history
In the 1970s, and again in the 1990s, there were widespread protests across important urban centres aiming to bring down elected governments.
In 1976, the bone of contention was the election, which the opposition alleged was rigged. In the 1990s, the protests mostly centred on the allegations of corruption.
On all those occasions, the governments were toppled. In 1977, we had a military coup. During the 1990s, presidents backed by the military used special constitutional powers to topple four elected governments one after the other.
The present stand-off more closely resembles the 1977 model, where the president did not have the special powers to sack the government, and so the military must stage a direct coup if it wants to intervene.
But a coup has not come, even though the military has kept to its pattern of the 1990s; instead of throwing its weight behind the government, it has made noises that amount to providing both players with what some analysts call a "level playing field".
So as the protesters and the policemen slug it out on the streets, it is the role of the army that has been central to most debates in parliament, the two shipping containers, the media and the drawing rooms of the chattering classes.
Government not isolated
The two protesting leaders have separate agendas.
Cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan's PTI party wants "freedom" from what it sees as a faulty electoral system. It accuses Prime Minister Sharif's government of having stolen last year's elections, wants it to quit and wants fresh elections, but after electoral reforms.
In the neighbouring container, cleric Tahirul Qadri is espousing a wider, "revolutionary" agenda; he wants "moral reforms" which would be undertaken by a set of "clean" individuals holding state power over a longer period of time.
He also wants the Punjab chief minister's scalp for the 14 June police action in which 16 of his disciples were killed.
The calls from the two leaders for the government's ousting have fallen on deaf ears, and have led the ruling and opposition forces in parliament to close ranks. This is unlike the 1990s, when opposition forces tended to gravitate to the protesters, isolating the government.
So the residents of Islamabad, the audiences of the Pakistani news channels all over the country and the world are witnessing an extended version of what former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, used to call the "political circus".
Every day has the same grinding pattern now.
It begins with the parliamentarians in their rhetorical speeches warning against threats to democracy from the "container leaders" and the "institutions" - a euphemism for the military.
The night begins with hyperbole from the "container leaders" calling the parliamentarians "thieves" and reiterating their resolve to stand their ground until the "umpire" lifts his finger, as in a cricket match when a batsman is declared out.
Meanwhile, the protesters and the policemen have their eyes and ears on the on-again-off-again talks.
A PTI leader said yesterday the government has agreed to 5.5 out of his party's six demands. Others say a rapprochement with Mr Qadri is also on the cards.
But many are of the view that a resolution will come quickly once a set of completely different issues - concerning national security and regional policy - are settled with the country's "umpire".

BBC News - The surreal world of Pakistan's 'political circus'

I think that our people take everything our politicians say too seriously especially the media, there is a thing called humour this is why IK said we need to make Pakistan I need to marry :D. Seriously tell me if you I were a part of a conspiracy would we ever speak a word about it in public? Of course no, our media highlights thing that aren't relevant. Btw COAS is close to NS, why else would you think he would leave ignore some of the best Generals and appoint Raheel Sharif, there is a reason behind this. If martial law was IK thought why the heck would he ever come? He would have lost everything, supporters, KPK etc.

They should highlight relevant things like why the heck there are more than 30,000 people out there? Why the heck was a woman I don't want to name the case she was holding in TUQ jalsa crying and showing on stage that SS came to her told her she would get justice but still nothing, why? Three, four people came same like this my son was killed no FIR registered etc. This is the reason they came, no justice, media should highlight this and ask more people about their motives. We need to help these people rather than ignoring them and saying no everything we are doing is democracy while your demands are not legal. How can these people know? Most of Pakistani are illiterate or haven't read the constitution as it is not available to them .
 
I think that our people take everything our politicians say too seriously especially the media, there is a thing called humour this is why IK said we need to make Pakistan I need to marry :D. Seriously tell me if you I were a part of a conspiracy would we ever speak a word about it in public? Of course no, our media highlights thing that aren't relevant. Btw COAS is close to NS, why else would you think he would leave ignore some of the best Generals and appoint Raheel Sharif, there is a reason behind this. If martial law was IK thought why the heck would he ever come? He would have lost everything, supporters, KPK etc.

They should highlight relevant things like why the heck there are more than 30,000 people out there? Why the heck was a woman I don't want to name the case she was holding in TUQ jalsa crying and showing on stage that SS came to her told her she would get justice but still nothing, why? Three, four people came same like this my son was killed no FIR registered etc. This is the reason they came, no justice, media should highlight this and ask more people about their motives. We need to help these people rather than ignoring them and saying no everything we are doing is democracy while your demands are not legal. How can these people know? Most of Pakistani are illiterate or haven't read the constitution as it is not available to them .


Please read the article. It addresses your pov

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There may be a third contender to the issue - the "umpire" - if one is to believe Imran Khan, one of the leaders in the containers.
He has been elusive about what exactly he means when he talks about the "umpire" but most Pakistanis understand this to be a reference to the country's military.

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Please read the article. It addresses your pov

It doesn't it says most Pakistanis think that it the military while I can't say for most Pakistanis but the people I know none of them think it's the army rather than we think it's the people. Media and government are the one who are saying its army blah blah bah and like I said no one wants army involved so it's a stupid thought anyway :D
 

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