IAF Mirage 2000I Vs PAF F 16C Block 52

[volatile]

Afsoos the fan boys will have aeroplane vs aeroplane where as whole philophy of wars have changed even some indication was shown by PAF its system vs system as it evolves it will be whole philosophy of armed forces vs individual

 

[AMRAAM]

No such thing ever happened. Both Mirage 2000s were ordered to exit area ASAP as there was no need to risk such valuable assets in an engagement where they were outnumbered 6:1.

So instead of sending reinforcements, you guys ordered them to come back.

 

[Yasser76]

Afsoos the fan boys will have aeroplane vs aeroplane where as whole philophy of wars have changed even some indication was shown by PAF its system vs system as it evolves it will be whole philosophy of armed forces vs individual

Obviously many things will determine outcome but until IAF greatly improve in EW, Networking, AEW and BVR then PAF still has upperhand.

What Indians fail to realise it was not just the F-16 that beat them on Feb 27th or can beat a Mirage 2000, it is the combination PAF used

1) Advanced training and teamwork honed at Red Flag and Anatolian Eagle on a regular basis where we trained in heavy EW envoironment and with large package strike formations
2) Constant AEW in the air thanks to good number of Erieyes
3) Heavy and constant EW support thanks to 24 Sqd Blinders
4) AMRAAM C-5


IAF needs to counter all of the above and train for years like that. Not as easy as upgrading a Mirage 2000....

 

[alee92nawaz]

I just came across this video. Why do Indians always come at the top in these comparisons?

Hadn't we shot down Abhinandan, they would be comparing Mig-21 with F-16C and proving it qual or better.

Lol no matter what indians do, our F-16s retain first see, first shoot capability over them.

Can some please tell me what happened in F16 vs M2000 on 26 Feb 2020 ?

Hint : No engagement

Your mirages were jammed and out ranged by Aim-120c and SD-10s.

No such thing ever happened. Both Mirage 2000s were ordered to exit area ASAP as there was no need to risk such valuable assets in an engagement where they were outnumbered 6:1.

Lol. Usually your claim was that 2 mirages took on 8 JF-17s

 

[Psychic]

It's phenomenal ITR

Whats ITR?

 

[Trailer23]

Both Mirage 2000s were ordered to exit area ASAP

Another term for ASAP is:

 

[Mighty Lion]

So instead of sending reinforcements, you guys ordered them to come back.

We sent Reinforcements from Punjab and Haryana and Rajasthan but by the time they arrived PAF left the area.

Constant AEW

We have better AEW coverage as all our AWACS have aerial refulleing capabilty whereas neither PAFs Erieye nor ZDK have any form of aerial refuelling capability.

All RAWs Global 5000 have Elisra Skyjam suite which is far more advanced than anything on Falcon 20.

Plus in April 2019 we ordered (and by now integrated) BNET-AR SDR which are totally jamproof and thus made PAF DA-20 obsolete in a single stroke.

 

[surya kiran]

Please tell me why your spice 2000 didn't hit your intended targets. They released their payload in haste fearing an engagement destroying few pine trees in a remote area.

And of course not to ask what happened the day after.

Aise he. Time pass. Because just that night PDF had tweeted, that PAF was awake. They read it too late while flying their plane. And when they read it on twitter on their mobiles, they decided to release and turn back. Hence the problem.

The next day entire IAF was scared of Ruhani Fauj like in 1965. WW2 aces of PAF could be seen in the skies. That scared us. Next day we had hung limbu mirchi on the planes, but you never came. Our nimbu mirchi is stronger than Ruhani Air Force.

 

[Yasser76]

We sent Reinforcements from Punjab and Haryana and Rajasthan but by the time they arrived PAF left the area.


We have better AEW coverage as all our AWACS have aerial refulleing capabilty whereas neither PAFs Erieye nor ZDK have any form of aerial refuelling capability.

All RAWs Global 5000 have Elisra Skyjam suite which is far more advanced than anything on Falcon 20.

Plus in April 2019 we ordered (and by now integrated) BNET-AR SDR which are totally jamproof and thus made PAF DA-20 obsolete in a single stroke.

OK, you obviously just read things and maybe you need an idea of how things work in the real world, so I will disect your statements one by one.

1) Firstly IAF aircraft have no data links or even SD Radios for secure comms between AWACs and fighters. In the case of Wing Co Abhis MIG-21 he was receiving voice commands from a ground controller that were being constantly jammed, he had no AWACS support, This is a fact actually stated by Indian media.FACT

2) Erieyes are data linked with F-16s and other aircraft via Link 16 and Link 17. FACT.

3) IAF has 3 Phalcon AEW plus 2 Netra AEW. PAF has 7 Erieye plus 4 ZDK, with another 2 Erieyes being delivered. So that is a fleet of 5 v 13. FACT

4) The IAF Phalcon fleet depends on a 4 engined soviet transport airframe while the PAF Eriefleet depends on a 2 Turboprop commuter airliner. An Indian CAG report puts IL-76 availability at around 40-50%. Meaning of the 3 planes approx 1 or 2 max are available at any given time. SAAB 2000 availability rates with most airlines are around 80-90% so of the 9 planes say 8 ready at anyone times. FACT

5) To keep 1 AEW in the air at any given time you need a MINIMUM OF 4 ready. 1 in the air, 1 taking off ready to replace it, 1 on standby for the next slot and 1 ready in case any of the other 3 go unservicable. This is standard operating procedure for a constant airborne presence. This basically implies the IAF can have a Phalcon in the air only around 30% of the time while the PAF can have TWO Erieyes in the air 100% of the time. FACT

6) PAF Falcon 20s were recently upgraded in Italy. Their EW suite remains classified, no one knows, so unless you have access to top secret intelligence any comparison is invalid. FACT

Let me know next time you want your *** handed to you on a plate.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

It's the actual war or battle which can show which aircraft is better then the other which includes tactics pilot and accuracy and supporting ground and air staff and equipment other then that its just to satisfy the ego by doing comparison

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

I just came across this video. Why do Indians always come at the top in these comparisons?

Hadn't we shot down Abhinandan, they would be comparing Mig-21 with F-16C and proving it qual or better.

They were jammed by Thunders

Can some please tell me what happened in F16 vs M2000 on 26 Feb 2020 ?

Hint : No engagement

JF 17 Painted your Mirage even after it went into your airspace on 26th

 

[waz]

Erm the Mirage retreated quickly, let's leave it at that.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

1) Firstly IAF aircraft have no data links or even SD Radios for secure comms between AWACs and fighters. In the case of Wing Co Abhis MIG-21 he was receiving voice commands from a ground controller that were being constantly jammed, he had no AWACS support, This is a fact actually stated by Indian media.FACT

Indian media also claimed a F-16 Kill and annihilation of JeM recruits, you cannot selectively choose.

Erieyes are data linked with F-16s and other aircraft via Link 16 and Link 17. FACT.
IAF has 3 Phalcon AEW plus 2 Netra AEW. PAF has 7 Erieye plus 4 ZDK, with another 2 Erieyes being delivered. So that is a fleet of 5 v 13. FACT
The IAF Phalcon fleet depends on a 4 engined soviet transport airframe while the PAF Eriefleet depends on a 2 Turboprop commuter airliner. An Indian CAG report puts IL-76 availability at around 40-50%. Meaning of the 3 planes approx 1 or 2 max are available at any given time. SAAB 2000 availability rates with most airlines are around 80-90% so of the 9 planes say 8 ready at anyone times. FACT
To keep 1 AEW in the air at any given time you need a MINIMUM OF 4 ready. 1 in the air, 1 taking off ready to replace it, 1 on standby for the next slot and 1 ready in case any of the other 3 go unservicable. This is standard operating procedure for a constant airborne presence. This basically implies the IAF can have a Phalcon in the air only around 30% of the time while the PAF can have TWO Erieyes in the air 100% of the time. FACT

Indian AWACS(A-50EI) and IL-76MD are not the same. The serviceability for this platform is better.
No comparable data for PAF and assuming 90% serviceability for 20+ year old used turboprops which is out of production is not correct.
And IAF radar picture is not just by airborne assets ground radars take a bulk of the duties as well.

PAF Falcon 20s were recently upgraded in Italy. Their EW suite remains classified, no one knows, so unless you have access to top secret intelligence any comparison is invalid. FACT

Agreed.
What ever is the PAF version of the events, on both days the fight was largely over Pak airspace. This will most likely continue well into the future.
Mirages will be a formidable threat for PAF for years to come and F-16s for the IAF is the same.

But this thread is completely pointless, random videos with wikipedia info should not warrant a thread.

 

[Salman876]

i think we should not make threads based upon indian news articles and indian videos on youtube.they are stupid people. they used to compare su 30 with F22 . tejas with f16 blk 52.

mig 21 was better than F16s

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

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