IAF finalises order for 10 C-17 strategic airlifters

[Firemaster]

Awesome News.......

noce pictures bro

 

[Yeti]

love that last pic she looks like a menacing beast

 

[sancho]

How much various countries seem to have paid for C-17s

NOTE:

This list is for basic comparison. Not to prove any point
1:Qatars deal was an undisclosed direct commercial sale. So data unavailable.
2:The support deals are not the same. For example some countries may opt for 1 spare engine per aircraft, some countries for none at all.
3: It may appear that Canada has paid the least. But you have to take 2 factors into account.
a: Canada made the deal 5 years ago in 2006
b: USA and canada are attempting to make their forces interoperable. And hence this is like a sale to your own military. Not directed at export profit.
4:I'm not sure if the indian deal includes support. Sorry for that.
5: Even though NATO bought only 2 aircraft, the support deal is for 3-4 aircraft because they have loaned a couple from the USA.
6: The UAE deal, again was a direct commercial sale. But there is credible info on the internet suggesting they paid 1.3 billion for first 4 planes. From this it works out to be about 2 billion for all six.
7: And most importantly, this is a list i made in 15 minutes sitting on my arse. I apologise for any inaccuracies.

Source: The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency
EDIT: The NATO support deal is 589 mil not 689. Sorry for the typo

The differences lies once in the numbers we order, the more we order the less the total cost per unit. Secondly, these are system costs including spares, training..., for a specific life cycle, but these figures differ from country to country, which makes it difficult to compare on these basis.

Way more important for us is the point, thatthe $4.1 billion for 10 x C17s is still just the figure claimed by the US government officials. Boeing denied them from the start and as the article says, still does it:

Vivek Lall, Boeing’s outgoing vice president in India for defence, space and security, confirmed the agreement on offsets but declined to give any financial details.

Boeing officials said, that the deal costs up to $5.8 billions and that the rumored $4.1 billions are not realistic!

I said it before, the real cost will decide if C17s are a good choice, or not, because no matter what the Air Chief said before, there are alternatives. If the C17s cost just $410 millions each, it's for sure a good deal, but if they cost more, we should have made a competition with Russian, European and if possible even Japanese alternatives (IL 476 / AN 70, A400 and Kawasaki C-2).

 

[angeldemon_007]

Security Cabinet likely to clear biggest Indo-US defence deal by month-end - India - DNA

 

[TOPGUN]

Awsome beast... chalo good for india

 

[Yeti]

Biggest aircraft deal with US flies into air pocket after India questions price


The last-minute hiccup has come after the ministry received several representations contending that the price being quoted to India for 10 heavy lift aircraft was inordinately high.

While the contract is in the final stage — commercial negotiations with manufacturer Boeing have been concluded —the ministry has sought a clarification from the US on the price of the aircraft, which is being purchased by the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route.

FMS is the US Department of Defense’s government-to-government method of selling US defence equipment, services and training.

“We have to ensure that we are getting the aircraft at the right price. The ministry has written to the US government for the price at which the aircraft has been sold to other countries. This has been done to get a fair assessment of the deal and put all speculation at rest,” a Defence Ministry official said.

The value of the deal — a highlight of President Barack Obama’s visit to India — has been pegged at $4.1 billion by the White House, and at $5.8 billion in the official notification before the US Congress. At either price — $410 million or $580 million each — the aircraft would be the most expensive ever purchased by India.

In a notification to Congress earlier this month, the US Defence Security Cooperation Agency, which coordinates all FMS sales, declared a C 17 Globemaster III aircraft is being sold to Australia for $300 million.

Also, under the FMS programme, the US is supposed to sell the aircraft to India at the price at which the US government purchases it from the manufacturer, plus an additional facilitation fee. The US government buys the C 17 from Boeing at around $200 million per aircraft. This price, however, does not include spares and services.

Boeing says the price depends on the services and package required by the IAF. “The end price will vary depending on what the Indian government requires as part of the final package. That final price will be a matter for the two governments to communicate at the appropriate time,” the company said in a statement in November. It declined to comment on current negotiations.

The company had said that the $4.1-billion tag quoted by the White House did not include the cost of engines, spares and support. “$5.8 billion is an umbrella figure that includes everything that could be ordered,” a senior Boeing executive had said.

The IAF did not expect the aircraft deal to cost very much over $3 billion, and was taken aback by the price quoted by Washington. As first reported by The Indian Express, a tussle had broken out over the price after the IAF made it clear that it was unhappy over the “unrealistic” estimate of the deal.


http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/767847/

 

[misterme2]

But looking at the canada price, inclusive of all life cycle costs.. I feel if we'd resorted to a little arm twisting we'd have got a much better deal. What say?

Canada is not on the same level as India....But India has the capacity to do so but it is wisely watching every step....