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I suppose this makes it definitive....

@PAKISTANFOREVER My observations are based on anecdotal evidence which of course are subjective. There is a underlying geographic model to this. Those points that are most distant from West Asia [no I don't mean Arabs here so let us get that clear] or Iran/Central Asia are by definition going to be least influenced by Central Asia. We all know Pakistan is the only country in South Asia that that sits right next to Iran/Central Asia and therefore common sense will tell us that Pakistan should in theory have recieved the most exposture from Iran/Central Asia in terms of culture, history and gene flow.

On the contrary those places in South Asia like East India or South India are farthest from Central Asia therefore would have recieved the least historical influence from the West. And let's be honest here you don't need to be a genetist to see that people from Bengal, Odisha or Dravidians are the most divergent from Indus region/Pakistan. This is not to see there is no link but to say there is the least link. Of course populations are complex. People move. There are always exceptions and that is why we should not cherrypick. I am sure you can find a Dravidian who looks more Caucasoid then a Pakhtun but those are exceptions. It is the median value we are looking at here. Another example is pure Austro-Aboriginals pools are only found in East India. This all fits in the geographic distance model as below.

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Now read this extract [below] and it merely reinforces the above distance/geography model. This is also borne out by anecdotal evidence.



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Ps. I will take time to read the report properly later I and post my thoughts when I have more time but on the face of it evidence is piling up that just confirms what the visible eye can see and has been noted by observers for long time but some people with a agenda love to lumpen every single demography from the Khyber to Bengal to Sri Lanka as one indistinguishable whole.



Agreed. The atticle in the OP has settled the debate once and for all. We have a greater link to the West of us than the East. It has now been scientifically proven.

The report is not conclusive, the studies based on DNA are not yet evolved properly.

Aryavartha is in India, not in Europe. Those influx of genes might have been from continuous trade and invasions.

Ancient India faced and repelled many invasions from greeks and Central asia.

India is the origin and it is from here Aryans migrated and went to Europe and other parts of the world to spread their culture and languages.

The puranas which are considered as history of India of ancient and middle ages do not even mention the influx of these so called blue eyed people from europe. The texts mentions Yavanas(greeks) who tried to invade ancient India and were repelled back.



Scientific/genetic proof of those assumptions/beliefs?
 
@PAKISTANFOREVER My observations are based on anecdotal evidence which of course are subjective. Also there is a underlying geographic model to this. Those points that are most distant from West Asia [no I don't mean Arabs here so let us get that clear] or Iran/Central Asia are by definition going to be least influenced by Central Asia. We all know Pakistan is the only country in South Asia that that sits right next to Iran/Central Asia and therefore common sense will tell us that Pakistan should in theory have recieved the most exposture from Iran/Central Asia in terms of culture, history and gene flow.

On the contrary those places in South Asia like East India or South India are farthest from Central Asia therefore would have recieved the least historical influence from the West. And let's be honest here you don't need to be a genetist to see that people from Bengal, Odisha or Dravidians are the most divergent from Indus region/Pakistan. This is not to see there is no link but to say there is the least link. Of course populations are complex. People move. There are always exceptions and that is why we should not cherrypick. I am sure you can find a Dravidian who looks more Caucasoid then a Pakhtun but those are exceptions. It is the median value we are looking at here. Another example is pure Austro-Aboriginals pools are only found in East India. This all fits in the geographic distance model as below.

1ZsvkM3.png




Now read this extract [below] and it merely reinforces the above distance/geography model. This is also borne out by anecdotal evidence.



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Ps. I will take time to read the report properly later I and post my thoughts when I have more time but on the face of it evidence is piling up that just confirms what the visible eye can see and has been noted by observers for long time but some people with a agenda love to lumpen every single demography from the Khyber to Bengal to Sri Lanka as one indistinguishable whole.

1) Why are Afghanistan and Sri Lanka in the same color code as India

2) What is the significance of the LOC and the differently shaded area occupied by Pakistan to your gene flow theory

3) How do these findings impact your pet theory (stretch?) that modern day Pakistanis are the same people who built and populated the IVC before the Aryans streamed in

Remember the basic precepts:

The men came in. Only. And first.

The women that followed came in when residence had been established on the new land. A LOT later.

Cheers, Doc
 
1) Why are Afghanistan and Sri Lanka in the same color code as India

2) What is the significance of the LOC and the differently shaded area occupied by Pakistan to your gene flow theory
That is just a outline ready made map I used and that includes colours. The rest of the points you made I will deal with later but either way as regards IVC Indian's not need to worry as it has little to do with them.
 
Agreed. The atticle in the OP has settled the debate once and for all. We have a greater link to the West of us than the East. It has now been scientifically proven.
Pakistan has 35% residual heritage from West Asia - far higher than in India. Indeed Pakistan is marked out by that. Even many [note not all] of the so called Brahmins in India have lower ANI roots then average Pakistani but then when they are placed in the background of Austro-Aboriginal pools of course they do stick out.
 
There is no concrete evidence these migrations took place either, only a bizzare theory with no facts or concrete facts.

Based on the ancient scripts of Bharat, there is no such thing as Aryans who migrated from west and settled here. I believe those scriptures than the inconclusive evidences these DNA offers which can be changed if they find another concrete evidence.

Aryans called their home land Aryavartha and is located in Bharat. Their language sanskrit flourished here and lot of scriptures and epics are written here.

Even in Vedas there is no mention of Europe but India.

This is a bizzare theory from western indologists to create confusion among superiors to make them look inferior.

Agreed. The atticle in the OP has settled the debate once and for all. We have a greater link to the West of us than the East. It has now been scientifically proven.





Scientific/genetic proof of those assumptions/beliefs?
 
What is you take on the report?

@padamchen @Kambojaric Does the report not show that South Asian Pak population has the highest influence from West Asia [reaching 35%] then rest of the sub-continent? Is that the bottom line?

break the bloodline down by Punjabis, Sindhis, Pusthuns and Baluchis

This scientific fact is not going to sit well with many incuding some Pakistanis......lol......:lol:

However much we deny and try to reject or resist it, this is SCIENTIFIC evidence which confirms that apart from langauage and culture, Pakistanis share FAR FAR more in common with Arabs, Turks, Iranians/Persians than we do with ANY OTHER group in the world...........:lol:

So Pakistanis have the most in common with Middle Eastern Muslims. Scientifically proven................:lol:

you can keep dreaming ...

your cusine is close to Indian cusine
your languages Urdu, Sindhi and Punjabi are in Indian language list of official languages
your dress is shared at least with North Indians
 
There is no concrete evidence these migrations took place either, only a bizzare theory with no facts or concrete facts.

Based on the ancient scripts of Bharat, there is no such thing as Aryans who migrated from west and settled here. I believe those scriptures than the inconclusive evidences these DNA offers which can be changed if they find another concrete evidence.




EXACTLY. As there is no proof and I and many others on PDF do not believe in hinduism your narrative is null and void.
 
break the bloodline down by Punjabis, Sindhis, Pusthuns and Baluchis



you can keep dreaming ...

your cusine is close to Indian cusine
your languages Urdu, Sindhi and Punjabi are in Indian language list of official languages
your dress is shared at least with North Indians



So indians keep saying but the REAL scientific evidence like in the OP disproves that. It also explains the fact of why Pakistanis look much more like Middle Eastern Muslims than anyone else. In fact the scientific evidence insinuates that Pakistanis have a stronger dna, genetic connection to people from the Middle East and Centeal Asia than we do with any other group.

Eating food that maybe simialr does not make you the same community. A lot of White, Black and South American people eat Pakistani cuisine and enjoy it more than we do. Are they too now Pakistanis and Muslims? Does that make them have a genetic connection to Pakistanis?

Language is not important. Many black people speak Englisglh and Feench. Does that make them White Europeans now?
I learnt German in school. Does that make me a German now?
 
break the bloodline down by Punjabis, Sindhis, Pusthuns and Baluchis
Yes, indeed there is differances. Now can you break the bloodline of your people, from Aboriginals, Austrolids, Adivasis, Dravidians, Gujratis etc.

your dress is shared at least with North Indians
Yes, You were half naked until recently, now even within my life I have seen you people take up the Shalwar Kameez and dump the Sari. That does not make you closer to us. It just makes you 'copy cats'.

And of course nobody has ever said that the Indians adjacent to Pakistan do share significant traits which is not surprising as they are next door. It's like the Indians near Myanmar border do share things with Burmans etc. The Indians near Chinese borders share similarties to Sino-Tibetans. That is straigh forward common sense.
 
Yes, indeed there is differances. Now can you break the bloodline of your people, from Aboriginals, Austrolids, Adivasis, Dravidians, Gujratis etc.

They are no Aboriginals, Austrolids as ethnic group. Dravidian is language family.

So indians keep saying but the REAL scientific evidence like in the OP disproves that. It also explains the fact of why Pakistanis look much more like Middle Eastern Muslims than anyone else. In fact the scientific evidence insinuates that Pakistanis have a stronger dna, genetic connection to people from the Middle East and Centeal Asia than we do with any other group.

Eating food that maybe simialr does not make you the same community. A lot of White, Black and South American people eat Pakistani cuisine and enjoy it more than we do. Are they too now Pakistanis and Muslims? Does that make them have a genetic connection to Pakistanis?

Language is not important. Many black people speak Englisglh and Feench. Does that make them White Europeans now?
I learnt German in school. Does that make me a German now?

Ask the Middle Easterners if they consider Pakistanis similar to them. Odds are they look down upon you as a confused Hindoo.

We are not talking about "Eating food". We are talking about what food you prepare at home.

As far as importance of the language I would not expect you to know. If you had known you have forseen the events of 1971

Blacks in America are not African by any means. I would not confuse them. Neither would most African Americans. May be you do.
 
They are no Aboriginals, Austrolids as ethnic group. Dravidian is language family.



Ask the Middle Easterners if they consider Pakistanis similar to them. Odds are they look down upon you as a confused Hindoo.

We are not talking about "Eating food". We are talking about what food you prepare at home.

As far as importance of the language I would not expect you to know. If you had known you have forseen the events of 1971

Blacks in America are not African by any means. I would not confuse them. Neither would most African Americans. May be you do.



It doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks. I am only intetested in scientific facts. And the definitive scientific facts from the OP has answered and fully explained the age old question of why Pakistanis LOOK more like Arabs, Turks and Iranians/Persians than anyone else. The DNA and genetic question has proved it once and for all. The random opinions of random Middle Easterners does not change that raging reality. I am here in a Mosque in London for Jummah right now and the Arabs, Pakistanis and Turks are praying and socialising peacefully together here. No one is calling me or any other Pakistani here a hindu. Nor do I look like one.

If animosity and having disdain for a community is the basis for "racial similarities" than Pakistanis and indians are not even from the same planet, forget about anything else............:lol:

The OP also justifies the creation of Pakistan.
 
It doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks. I am only intetested in scientific facts. And the definitive scientific facts from the OP has answered and fully explained the age old question of why Pakistanis LOOK more like Arabs, Turks and Iranians/Persians than anyone else. The DNA and genetic question has proved it once and for all. The random opinions of random Middle Easterners does not change that raging reality. I am here in a Mosque in London for Jummah right now and the Arabs, Pakistanis and Turks are praying and socialising peacefully together here. No one is calling me or any other Pakistani here a hindu. Nor do I look like one.

If animosity and having disdain for a community is the basis for "racial similarities" than Pakistanis and indians are not even from the same planet, forget about anything else............:lol:

The OP also justifies the creation of Pakistan.

if you were similar like Europeans you would be forming an economic & cultural union similar to the EU
 

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