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Hyderabad: Jawan who set ablaze boy kills self

Because its a matter of honor...Its a big deal to most Indians...

I have known of women in central India where I was born, where women were accused of adultery by their husbands or in laws, and resorted to taking their own lives rather than having to live with the shame of being labeled an adulterer or "Chenal/Kulta"...
Some may have been guilty, others not...But its inconclusive as is this case..

Its like being accused of being a pedophile or a rapist if you arent one...and even if the courts dismiss the case and give you a clean chit, society still looks at you suspiciously and its a matter of dishonor of massive proportions to be labelled one..

Think of this as "Seppuku" seen in Japanese culture..




Police question different people during the criminal investigation, not everyone being question implication of the crime. Since the police didn't charge him with the crime, no one will find out if he maybe a suspect or not but his dead surely related to this criminal case. Majority people will err on the side he probably primary suspect but the police still not complete their investigation to charge him with the crime.
 
I also look after Indians on a daily basis ,but i dont go on an Indian forum spouting anti Indian shyt Unlike you .must be your inferiority complex making you spout your anti Pakistani retoric in every post .

Trying to change topic again Indian by bringing Pakistan in your post again :partay:

The Pakistani minorities are coming back to there land in droves ,wonder why ??

from todays The Hindu

For Pakistani migrants, saga of unfulfilled promises

However, life is tough for the migrants here. They primarily belong to the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes and live in camps on the outskirts of the city, which lack even basic facilities for water supply, education, health and even shelter. The camp at Alkausar Nagar does not even have a toilet, one of the focus areas of the Prime Minister; neither does it have regular water supply. “We have to get water from the nearby Madrasa, our children do not get admission in government schools and we cannot afford private schools,” says a fresh migrant who came to Rajasthan with his family just last month but did not wish to be identified for fear of persecution of his family back in Karachi.

“Many people also return because the living conditions are so bad here, but the inflow of people still continues

Dude when one has inferiority complex they avoid the thing,like i have inferiority complex with you i try to avoid you thats human nature.
By the number of Indians in the form do you see any inferiority complex,the logic dsnt fits in,or is it that you dont have logic.
 
This confuses me, how can an innocent person "lose honor" even if they did nothing wrong?

You lose honor by committing a bad act. Seppuku in peacetime was used as a self-punishment for doing something seriously wrong. In my above example, the Samurai committed ritual suicide because they killed several Frenchmen in a bar fight.

Obviously if a person is truly innocent, then they have not lost any honor, and there is no need for self-punishment.

If someone accuses me of being a murderer, then maybe I will be embarrassed, but I won't lose honor, because I know I am innocent. Why then would I punish myself for being a murderer, when I know that I am not? Just because someone else accuses me of something does not make it true.

Aye..I'm with you there..
But i also quoted you examples of women from central India who were only accused of adultery (not even considered a crime) and resorted to suicide..

If I had to put a rationale...I would say that as a military man, having an impeccable reputation is a big thing..maybe he was from a family with martial traditions..maybe the fact that he was accused of such horrific crime like burning a child was a blot to his reputation..maybe his peers behaved differently...or for all you know he may not have been involved in the actual act but was a witness to this gruesome crime and instead of doing something, allowed it...who knows...its all speculation

social pressures make you do the strangest thing...suicide alone is not an admission of guilt.

But like I said..maybe Karma works in strange ways and this was an eye for an eye...or simply just a plain old suicide.
 
Police question different people during the criminal investigation, not everyone being question implication of the crime. Since the police didn't charge him with the crime, no one will find out if he maybe a suspect or not but his dead surely related to this criminal case. Majority people will err on the side he probably primary suspect but the police still not complete their investigation to charge him with the crime.

See that's my only problem with this situation...
Maybe in our heads, his suicide is like an admission of guilt and hence we feel justice has been served...
But what if the real culprit is still out there and laughing it up??

Which is why this suicide kinda confuses me, especially on how I should feel....i would like the investigation to go on and get to the bottom of this so we know for sure that this was the person who deserved punishment...
 
See that's my only problem with this situation...
Maybe in our heads, his suicide is like an admission of guilt and hence we feel justice has been served...
But what if the real culprit is still out there and laughing it up??

Which is why this suicide kinda confuses me, especially on how I should feel....i would like the investigation to go on and get to the bottom of this so we know for sure that this was the person who deserved punishment...





His suicided will turn the murder investigation into a unsolved murder file. He will alone bring this case with him to his grave whether he was a suspect or not.
 
in your country it may be a rarity, but we have a justice system wherein case is argued in a tribunal and the accused gets punished if found guilty
ok i know you may not be familiar with this fact… but did you know your prime minister is a criminal?? who had a hand in the deaths of 100s of innocent civilians??? is there a justice system in a country where the prime minister himself is the criminal?
 
Aye..I'm with you there..
But i also quoted you examples of women from central India who were only accused of adultery (not even considered a crime) and resorted to suicide..

If I had to put a rationale...I would say that as a military man, having an impeccable reputation is a big thing..maybe he was from a family with martial traditions..maybe the fact that he was accused of such horrific crime like burning a child was a blot to his reputation..maybe his peers behaved differently...or for all you know he may not have been involved in the actual act but was a witness to this gruesome crime and instead of doing something, allowed it...who knows...its all speculation

social pressures make you do the strangest thing...suicide alone is not an admission of guilt.

But like I said..maybe Karma works in strange ways and this was an eye for an eye...or simply just a plain old suicide.
The name is of the deceased soldier was AppalaRaju and Rajus are Kshatriya (Warrior) caste in Andhra Pradesh region,They always have the surname Raju attached with their name.So yes he must be from a family with martial Traditions.
 
good riddance… hope the rest of scums responsible also shoot themselves… although it is a cowards way out this may be the only justice this poor kid will get in india.
Do you know something that we do not? :) In that case please do share and we can find closure. :tup:

If you were questioned for a crime you did not commit, the most likely emotion would be confusion
You have no idea about an Indian man's psyche. You have no idea what honor is. Secondly this guy's name was nowhere attached to the burnt boy. The reason could be anything. It will be futile to educate people about it anyway.
 
You have no idea about an Indian man's psyche. You have no idea what honor is. Secondly this guy's name was nowhere attached to the burnt boy. The reason could be anything. It will be futile to educate people about it anyway.

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This confuses me, how can an innocent person "lose honor" even if they did nothing wrong?

You lose honor by committing a bad act. Seppuku in peacetime was used as a self-punishment for doing something seriously wrong. In my above example, the Samurai committed ritual suicide because they killed several Frenchmen in a bar fight.

Obviously if a person is truly innocent, then they have not lost any honor, and there is no need for self-punishment.

If someone accuses me of being a murderer, then maybe I will be embarrassed, but I won't lose honor, because I know I am innocent. Why then would I punish myself for being a murderer, when I know that I am not? Just because someone else accuses me of something does not make it true.

Even if someone is jailed for a crime they did not commit, they have not lost their honor, because they are innocent. Maybe they have lost decades of their life, but they haven't lost their honor.

So an innocent person can become dishonorable just because they are falsely accused of something, or merely questioned as part of an investigation?

Sorry that makes no sense. If a person is innocent, and they have done nothing wrong, they have not lost their honor. Doesn't matter who accuses them or what, or even if they are falsely imprisoned.

If @Peshwa's example of Indian women committing suicide because they have been falsely accused of adultery is true, then I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word honor. An innocent person who has done nothing wrong, has not lost their honor.
 
The Indian psyche is different. I rest my case. You are free to draw your conclusions. RIP again. Over and out.

Suddenly I have a greater understand of the term "honor killing".

But that is a sick and twisted perversion of the word honor.

Like I said, an innocent person who has done nothing wrong, has not lost their honor.

The fact that you are arguing the opposite, and the fact that according to @Peshwa many Indian women commit suicide due to false accusations (even if they are really innocent), points to the kind of problem that suddenly makes the oxymoronic phrase "honor killing" make sense.

Honor is a good thing, not a bad thing. The way you are describing it makes it sound like a bad thing.

You don't kill innocent people and even your own children because of "honor", they need a new dictionary for that kind of crap. Maybe instead of "honor killing" they should call it dishonorable killing, that makes more sense.
 
Maybe instead of "honor killing" they should call it dishonorable killing, that makes more sense.
That's a reasonable thing so say. If time permits one may submit this suggestion to would be suicidees (not sure if such a term exists). Who knows - it might just prevent them from happening. :P

Indian women commit suicide due to false accusations (even if they are really innocent)
I think you are talking about Jauhar. That was NOT because of accusations. Women killed themselves to avoid getting captured by Muslim invaders and taken as war booty. That is a different issue.
 

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