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look, here we want to discuss, why would India have 600,000 active military on Pakistan border and Pakistan in response 450,000? leave Siachen matter on side for next 5-6 years, but first you would try to find out the reason behind this much gathering of military personnel on Indo-Pak border? you got bad experience on Kargil and you are worried that Siachen can also be occupied if you leave it, there is a point. but why can't you reduce the number on Siachen at least by 50% if Pakistan is now willing to even withdraw its all the troops from there? :undecided:

I mean, in place of 126, you would by 200 Rafale of F4 version, with 74 for IAC-1 and IAC-2 also, as it is one of the top gun of world and after having its full production line, it will be cheaper to buy also. but whats the reason of paying salary/training/arms etc for 300,000 addition troops on Pakistan border if Pakistan may get ready to withdraw atleast half of their 450,000 active troops deployed on Indo-Pak border? I mean, if you spend $20bil on Army only, out of total $36bil defense budget, to maintain 1.4mil active troops and if you may save even $3bil yearly by reducing its number by 300,000 on Pak border then you will have $1bn every year to buy 10 Rafael more every year from 2015 onward, you will have $500mil more to spend for having 50,000 more marines in your Navy which will double the number of marines you have, you will have $1bn more in your pocket every year to buy one Akula-2 type nuclear submarine every year, and $500mil more to have to buy one more frigate/destroyer every year :meeting:

you have to get to know that you are spending additional $3bil on Pakistan border for just no reason, if Pakistan may also get agreed to help you by reducing their number by 50%. if both India and Pakistan may reduce their army personnel number by 50% till 2015, then first Pakistan will be able to save upto $2bil every year and at the same time for India, it will then translate in having 50,000 additional Naval military personnel in Indian Navy, 10 more Rafale F4 type aircraft in addition to the current contract from 2015 onward for IAC-1 and IAC-2, with one more Akula-2 type submarine and one frigate or destroyer more every year in your navy. this will then translate Indian Navy into a true Blue Water Navy by 2025 with 3 aircraft carriers, 30 new submarines, 30+30 new frigates and destroyers, if we add already planned modernization of Indian Navy also :cheers:

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Wonderful thoughts.. it appears India & Pakistan have a consultant whom we can rely upon for (in)sane advice.

Thanks.. but No Thanks.

sir, it is always easy to be part of a mob and say what everyone says but we would always come up with the ideas which may be 'considered' for future plan, isn't it? I got caught with political talks and was never allowed to go so I always try to contribute something from my side to make my time a worth, until im involved?

one day a pakistan member here asked, "what type of super power India is that its 70% aircrafts target Pakistan only while defence expenditure of India is now over $40bil than $6bil of Pakistan, and India is even 3rd ranked in defence expenditure in PPP term also? this much money while threatened with hardly $6bil defence budget of Pakistan?" (please check defence budget datas of countries as below, India is now 3rd ranked in PPP terms.)

The 15 countries with the highest military expenditure in 2011 (table) — www.sipri.org


and Im also the man who straight said one day on PDF that, "if BSF find any illigal migrant coming into India on Indo-BD border and if he doesnt stop till a certain distance after warning, BSF would straight shoot him down before he may come close as he may have arms/bombs also to harm India, the nation."

but here I would like to give one more data. out of around $40bil defense budget of India, 60% goes to Army only, 25% to Air Force and hardly 15% to Navy :hitwall:. I would ask, why $24bil of total $40bil defense budget of India would be spent on Army only while we still dont have even 100,000 troops on CHina's border? does Indian Army spend this big money only on Pakistan border while threatened with hardly $6bil defense budget of Pakistan? :hitwall:

India plans to deploy 100000 more troops on China border. * Troop surge will come over next five years.....

India's border troop surge aimed at rising China? - People's Daily Online

and then I proposed, India would spend no more than 34% of its defense budget on Army, which will be equal to $14bil and even total defense budget of Pakistan and Bangladesh is $6bil and $1.1bil respectively which they spend on their army, air force, navy all. if Bangladesh has 100,000 active military personnel then India would also put at least 150,000 military personnel on BD border and at least 100,000 on Arunanchal Pradesh Area and 100,000 on Tibet are on CHina border, and a 'fit' number on Pakistan border also. but this all expanses would come within $14bil, or 34% of total budget. how? then Indian Army would learn from Pakistan and Bangladesh, how they manage to have 600,000 and 100,000 troops respectively and only $6bil+$1.2bil=$7.2bil is enough for them to maintain their all the three branches, including army/air force/navy, while only 'army' of India can't manage expanses of IIndian army in twice, by $14bil?

and then I would demand $13bil, or 33%, for Air Force only, where Indian military spend only 25% right now. as, I sincerely believe that India will never be interested in putting its troops on the soil of its neighbors but it will need an Air Force who may be mayy be capable enough to destroy any aggression towards India. India Military needs to fix at least 33% share of its budget for Air Force, in place of just 25% right now ........

right now Indian Navy gets hardly 15% of Indian Defense budget with hardly 50,000 naval personnel? India has only 15 submarinees right now and full infrastructure IN has but the credible submarines they lack? apart from Project 75 for Scorpean Submarines from Frnce and Project 75I for Stealth submarines from Russia (hopefully), Indian Navy needs to make sure it would add at least one new generation submarine every year from 2012 onwards, even if the similar to Akula-2 delivered recently, India must try to have at least one new generation capable submarine like Akula-2 every year until delivery of Stealth Submarines from Project 75I would start, which is not expected before 2020. even Scorpean Submarines won't be delivered to you before 2015/16? you need one Aircraft Carrier on Andaman Nicobar, one in Arabian Sea and one in between Andaman Nicobar and Indian border to petrol the eastern region. you need at least 25+25 Frigate and Destroyer to have a credible 'Blue Water Navy' which is possible only whenn Indian Military ensure 33% share in the defense budget for Navy only, with increasing share of Air Force to 33% also.

it is a shame that Indian Military now has 3rd largest defense budget on PPP, but 60% of it goes to Army only and more than 2/3rd of Indian Army's budget is spent on Pakistan border only which hardly spend $6bil in total on its defense for its all the three branches. you need a 'Mind Set' to behave like a Global Power and for that, you first need to be able to think out of the box you lived in till now :wave:
 

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