How KMT and CPC fought towards the end of the WWII?

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Lin Biao was a dickhead later in life but he was a brilliant general. Even better than Peng Dehuai.

His Manchurian campaign sealed the fate of the KMT after abandoning their base in Yanan.

Old generalisimo Chiang didnt know shit about war.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lin Biao was a dickhead later in life but he was a brilliant general. Even better than Peng Dehuai.

His Manchurian campaign sealed the fate of the KMT after abandoning their base in Yanan.

Old generalisimo Chiang didnt know shit about war.

Lin Biao was a genius, his military expertise was only second after Mao, although he was not a nice guy.

KMT should stop complaining about how CPC had backstabbed them.

In fact, they did backstab CPC even more, and they should think why they still lost against a bunch of poor peasants even with all the American equipment offered by the US.

 

[Jlaw]

Lin Biao was a dickhead later in life but he was a brilliant general. Even better than Peng Dehuai.

His Manchurian campaign sealed the fate of the KMT after abandoning their base in Yanan.

Old generalisimo Chiang didnt know shit about war.

Why was Lin a dickhead?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Why was Lin a dickhead?

He got some feud with Mao, but this guy was still brilliant, indeed one of the greatest PLA Generals of all time.

 

[Jlaw]

He got some feud with Mao, but this guy was still brilliant, indeed one of the greatest PLA Generals of all time.

I think his ideas of running the country differ from Mao. At the end it was a big mistake.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think his ideas of running the country differ from Mao. At the end it was a big mistake.

Yep, Mao was right for punishing him even he was one of the biggest heroes among the PLA.

CPC cannot tolerate any power usurper.

 

[gambit]

Lin Biao was a genius, his military expertise was only second after Mao, although he was not a nice guy.

How much did you get paid for saying that about Mao ?

Mao Zedong was at best an able insurgency theorist, but hardly any worth as a strategist and less a tactical commander.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Mao was a great military strategist, he did unite China again into one piece, so the action alone spoke more than million words.

BTW, you are just an anonymous Viet who can't even touch 1/10000000 of Mao's greatness.

 

[Aepsilons]

or being a 腸粉. that's what Chiang kaishek was. one of the worst if not worse military leader in Chinese history.

On the contrary, considering the situation he was in and the factors he had to deal with : a) The threat from Dai Nippon Teikoku and b) the looming insurgency by the communists, c) the fragmented and regionalism of Chugoku , then I'd say that the manner in which Jiang Jieshi controlled the National Army was actually notable despite the odds.

There may have been problems in regards to corruption, but given the rather short term he had been in control and the external factors such as the imminent threat of the Imperial Japanese Empire starting in its invasion of Manchukoku in 1931 and then the outright invasion of Mainland Chugoku in 1937 , Jiang Jieshi had a lot to contend with. Fighting the Japanese and then the issue of national politics and then a civil war.

As a Japanese Nationalist and an Ardent Patriot, yet as a Student of History and a Lover of Chinese Culture, I have to understand that the Chinese National Spirit and the culture of resistance towards Japanese Imperialism is strong one. On that note, I think that if I were to step into Chinese shoes and think like a Chinese National Patriot, I would see that there was nobility in how Mao and Jiang Jieshi were able to put down differences and address the common enemy, Imperial Japan. Chinese people should not just glorify and idolize the CPC alone for the victory in the 8 Year Struggle with Dai Nippon Teikoku , rather, should appreciate the sacrifices of the Nationalist Army of China led by Generalissimo Jiang Jieshi, whose sacrifice for the national resistance was necessary for the preservation of the Chinese state.

It was shared victory, with much of the sacrifices done by the Nationalist Army in the 8 Year Resistance against the Imperial Japanese Empire.

That's why I believe Chinese people should appreciate both the KMT and CPC's sacrifices.




Regards,

Lin Biao was a dickhead later in life but he was a brilliant general. Even better than Peng Dehuai.

His Manchurian campaign sealed the fate of the KMT after abandoning their base in Yanan.

Old generalisimo Chiang didnt know shit about war.

Old Generalissimo Jiang knew a lot about geopolitics at the time. In fact, he was an ardent patriot. He time and time again denied offers by the Imperial Japanese Army to surrender. I think one thing we can all agree to is that Jiang Jieshi was an ardent patriot in context to the times he lived in.

BTW, you are just an anonymous Viet who can't even touch 1/10000000 of Mao's greatness.

Chill out, dude.

Mao was a great military strategist, he did unite China again into one piece, so the action alone spoke more than million words.

It was not by Mao alone. Do not forget the contributions of Zhou Enlai.

 

[Jlaw]

On the contrary, considering the situation he was in and the factors he had to deal with : a) The threat from Dai Nippon Teikoku and b) the looming insurgency by the communists, c) the fragmented and regionalism of Chugoku , then I'd say that the manner in which Jiang Jieshi controlled the National Army was actually notable despite the odds.

There may have been problems in regards to corruption, but given the rather short term he had been in control and the external factors such as the imminent threat of the Imperial Japanese Empire starting in its invasion of Manchukoku in 1931 and then the outright invasion of Mainland Chugoku in 1937 , Jiang Jieshi had a lot to contend with. Fighting the Japanese and then the issue of national politics and then a civil war.

As a Japanese Nationalist and an Ardent Patriot, yet as a Student of History and a Lover of Chinese Culture, I have to understand that the Chinese National Spirit and the culture of resistance towards Japanese Imperialism is strong one. On that note, I think that if I were to step into Chinese shoes and think like a Chinese National Patriot, I would see that there was nobility in how Mao and Jiang Jieshi were able to put down differences and address the common enemy, Imperial Japan. Chinese people should not just glorify and idolize the CPC alone for the victory in the 8 Year Struggle with Dai Nippon Teikoku , rather, should appreciate the sacrifices of the Nationalist Army of China led by Generalissimo Jiang Jieshi, whose sacrifice for the national resistance was necessary for the preservation of the Chinese state.

It was shared victory, with much of the sacrifices done by the Nationalist Army in the 8 Year Resistance against the Imperial Japanese Empire.

That's why I believe Chinese people should appreciate both the KMT and CPC's sacrifices.




Regards,



Old Generalissimo Jiang knew a lot about geopolitics at the time. In fact, he was an ardent patriot. He time and time again denied offers by the Imperial Japanese Army to surrender. I think one thing we can all agree to is that Jiang Jieshi was an ardent patriot in context to the times he lived in.




Chill out, dude.



It was not by Mao alone. Do not forget the contributions of Zhou Enlai.

Chiang, American armed, with the most advanced military weaponry in China at the time, lost China to Mao, who was seen as leading a bunch of "bandits" in rags, in the most spectacular way history has ever seen over a mere 3-year period. He was a BIG loser. Period.

For a perspective of Chiang as a political leader and why he failed so miserably, I'd recommend "The Soong Dynasty" by Sterling Seagrave, an American writer, who was son of an American missionary and born in China in the 30s. In the eyes of Seagrave, Chiang was not only a miserable failure, but also a blood-thirty, ruthless butcher risen from a Shanghai gang. He did so little for China, or later for Taiwan. His son, the junior, was largely responsible for the economic and political transformation that took place in Taiwan after Chiang's death in 1976.

 

[Aepsilons]

I still stand with my opinion that Jiang Jieshi was a tragic hero. I respect the man as I respect Mao, yet with more vigor. There was so much potential for China under Jiang Jieshi, unfortunately the Second Sino Japanese War took place.


I respect Jiang Jieshi. He fought bravely, and his soldiers died honorably in the field of Glory.

May their spirits forever be honored. The noble warrior dead of China who fought gloriously against the Japanese Empire.

I give my obeisance unto them.

*BOW*

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Chiang, American armed, with the most advanced military weaponry in China at the time, lost China to Mao, who was seen as leading a bunch of "bandits" in rags, in the most spectacular way history has ever seen over a mere 3-year period. He was a BIG loser. Period.

For a perspective of Chiang as a political leader and why he failed so miserably, I'd recommend "The Soong Dynasty" by Sterling Seagrave, an American writer, who was son of an American missionary and born in China in the 30s. In the eyes of Seagrave, Chiang was not only a miserable failure, but also a blood-thirty, ruthless butcher risen from a Shanghai gang. He did so little for China, or later for Taiwan. His son, the junior, was largely responsible for the economic and political transformation that took place in Taiwan after Chiang's death in 1976.

After Chiang junior's political reform, the KMT party had became even more coward than before.

They even drop the ball to celebrate the 70th anniversary amid the Japanese protest.

Taiwan removes military's painting of Japanese flags | South China Morning Post

 

[Jlaw]

The west love Chiang Kaishek because he is a good puppet and lacked real abilities as a leader. No surprise there. His wife was the economics minister, LOL. How well did that turn out? The Chiang-Soong family nothing but a bunch of aristocrats that profited from selling out China and being a good dog of the west. Enough said about these two families.

 

[Kyle Sun]

How much did you get paid for saying that about Mao ?

Mao Zedong was at best an able insurgency theorist, but hardly any worth as a strategist and less a tactical commander.

you should read some history of ccp before you make comment.
many western medias and politicians write books about mao.
they hold a different opinion with you.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Chiang Kai Shek thought he had the mandate of heaven from the Qing, but it turns out, he was like Yang Jian of Sui - merely setting the stage for Tang.

Actually, it is an insult to compare Yang Jian to Chiang, because Yang Jian was an aggressive conquerer and built the grand canal, while Chiang did nothing.