Hoodbhoy, I didn't expect this from you

[313ghazi]

Nobody who reads his dawn columns should be surprised. For the last 20 years this man has moaned and complained. The last time he wrote a paper was 13 years ago. Instead he makes his money from bitching about Islam and Pakistan.

 

[HRK]

The more closely related example would be Surkhas remains of soviet era popping up as liberals.

exactly all those who nowadays claim as Liberal are actually "Former" Socialist or Communist who were in past oppose to Free Market and Capitalism but now for greenbacks they are acting worse than street whore, to me it's not surprise when they oppose Pakistan and its Ideology since they and their ancestors are doing the same thing from past many decades, but the thing which really make no sense is the acceptance of these clowns in western Media

 

[Pandora]

exactly all those who nowadays claim as Liberal are actually "Former" Socialist or Communist who were in past oppose to Free Market and Capitalism but now for greenbacks they are acting worse than street whore, to me it's not surprise when they oppose Pakistan and its Ideology since they and their ancestors are doing the same thing from past many decades, but the thing which really make no sense is the acceptance of these clowns in western Media

These people have always been there but social media and TV brought them to limelight. In past West always had -ve news about pakistan bcz every other day there was a terrorist attack. West had a good run of portraying us as a terrorist nation. Now that show has come to halt they need these clown creating havoc so they can portray us as people unaccepting of diverse views. It is very clear that these people can never merge in ideological makeup of Pakistan hence make perfect cover boys for Resistance movement in an Islamic Republic.

 

[Dubious]

Not agreeing to something is a different matter, Not accepting something is else.
I also have problems with situation in Pakistan, but what I saw in following video totally left me speechless.

From an honorable person to a traitor.
Or yeh background main Talian kon baja raha tha is Bakwas pe?
@Dubious @Major Sam @Syed Hammad Ahmed @dexter

I think he should stick to science and not try to jump into politics for few claps

 

[V. Makarov]

According to Hoodbhoy, the two nation theory does not account as a strong argument for the partition. He thinks that Jinnah did not plan the formation of this country well. He thinks that formation of Pakistan was just Jinnah's fluke.

He is right. Jinnah did not know much about the future Pakistan. He did not know that this nation was to become a home for Muslims or a home for Pakistanis. But he knew one thing for sure: that a Muslim man is very different from a Hindu. He knew that a Muslim and a Hindu cannot live together.

He famously said: "Those who are opposing Pakistan now, will spend the rest of their lives proving their loyalty to India."

Hoodbhoy says that the two nation theory is proven to be dysfunctional due to Bangladesh's formation and separatist movements in Balochistan. Now I realized that his understanding of the two nation theory is limited and clouded due to the hate he has for the establishment. The two nation theory has nothing do do with any separatist movement even if everyone of the 220 million people of Pakistan demand a new country. The discord between any Muslim community is based on worldly ethnic, cultural and economic conflicts and not due to moral and religious values.

These type of conflicts are to continue till the end of time. On the contrary, the argument of two nation theory was very clear. It was a strong argument. It was strong enough to tear away the subcontinent to carve a new nation. It was an argument so strong that even the unlearned people understood it. They migrated into Pakistan, leaving their homes and lives back in the other country. Hoodbhoy is in no place to comment on the practicality and the importance if the two nation theory. The ones who knew the importance of the theory, proved it to us by leaving everything they had. We do not admire the theory itself. We admire what the Muslims of the subcontinent did for that theory.

 

[peagle]

Not agreeing to something is a different matter, Not accepting something is else.
I also have problems with situation in Pakistan, but what I saw in following video totally left me speechless.

From an honorable person to a traitor.
Or yeh background main Talian kon baja raha tha is Bakwas pe?
@Dubious @Major Sam @Syed Hammad Ahmed @dexter

This guy Hoodbhoy is a joker, I try to read his articles as I like to get a different perspective on issues. He has no idea of history and fair interpretation of issues. He always goes into his fantasy world, where it only makes sense to him and people who follow him blindly. Such a shame, because he appears very knowledgeable. But knowledge does not bestow you with logic or commonsense, without which all knowledge is useless.

Pakistan is thousands of years old because the people of Pakistan created a bond with each other since the Indus Valley civilization. Religion has added a new glue to that ancient bond.
There are dozens of ethnic groups and languages in India, it never was, nor is it today a unified state.

They still cannot get everyone to accept/speak Hindi, India has no national language because the people won't accept. It is called secular, but beef is banned, the supreme court has declared that a mosque is not a part of the Islamic tradition, so not mandatory in Islam. Sikhism is part of Hinduism. How can there be so many religion-related laws and rulings if it is actually secular? It has so many fault lines, and yet his argument is based on Pakistan was created out of India. It is childishly simplistic.

Since 1947, there have been over 10,000 Hindu/Muslim riots. And, many thousands more Hindu/Christian, Hindu/Sikh riots, plus thousands more caste-related riots and violence. In what logic is this more peaceful than Pakistan. Riots are a very rare occurrence in Pakistan because society does not accept them.

Two nation theory is being presented in a childishly simple manner. The theory was not purely presenting Muslims as a nation, but as a group whose rights needed to be protected explicitly within a legal framework. This theory is way denser than I care to expand here.
If the world over every religious group can demand rights based on their religious background, as the Hindus are doing now in India, then why could not and cannot the Muslims of South Asia demand rights without their motives being questioned by stupid logic. It happened then and is happening now because people have created this simple version of the two-nation theory. it is nothing but childish.

You cannot create from something that did not exists, both India and Pakistan as nation-states are just over 70 years old, with differing ancient history. The basis of his arguments and the points he raises are inherently false.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

To understand Hoodbhoy ... you don't even need to know that he is a physicist. All you need to know is that he is a disciple of Bertrand Russell. Once you know the ideas and preaching of that guy, you'd know what hoodbhoy says...
He learnt from the very best ... but was he able to translate his knowledge to build something constructive? Deliver capable scientists to Pakistan or the larger world? In fact he has tried to influence people and perhaps his students in other ways...
When people interpret Jinnah... they look at his outwardly western appearance, his clothes, cigars... what they don't know is how Jinnah defined himself... Jinnah's facade was a persona built by his circumstances most of which he had no control over ... such as his parents wish for him to be successful in British ways... as most people who were up and coming, looked up to the Brits... Jinnah became all that his parents and surroundings made him but then he became what he wanted for himself!
His parents were first generation Muslim converts and were not much versed in Islam...
This is how you contextualize Jinnah!
He owned that movement... if he was a warrior he'd been a top commander, marshaling his troops to victory.
Jinnah was not naive, neither was Iqbal... these were ideologues and knew exactly what they wanted and what they're struggling for...
What is hoodbhoy's achievement?

 

[Rafi]

This surk bjober is a nobody.

 

[airmarshal]

F*cking idiot. Never read him. Never listen to him.

 

[Dalit]

Yet another liberal contributor of Dawn.
Surprise surprise.

 

[airmarshal]

I think he should stick to science and not try to jump into politics for few claps

He is not even good at it. A typical Pakistani returned from America with degree and loads of inferiority complex that will last a life time. These people are good at finding faults. Never will give you a solution.

 

[Dalit]

They live and breathe in Pakistan and yet hate its existence. These Pak liberals remind me of Afghans. Always underminding and hating Pakistan whilst living and breathing on its soil.

Another mistake that happened during partition. Should have migrated to the other side to live in peace and prosperity with RSS and Modi.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I remember Hoodbhoy from this debate I watched long ago.

We had a British Muslim convert of Greek origin, Hamza Tzortis, come to LUMS in Pakistan to debate with Pervez Hoodbhoy, an avowed Pakistani atheist and secularist, about religion and rationality.

You really can't make this up. Here is the clip for those interested.

Ofcourse he will oppose the founding of an Islamic state, he has left the faith long ago. So to him and people like him, there is no difference between Paks and Indians.

All you need to know is that he is a disciple of Bertrand Russell

You peaked my interest, so I took a look. He is exactly uttering the same anti-Muslim, anti-Prophet saws, and anti-Allah swt doctrine as this avowed Islamophobe Bertrand Russell.

How did we let a person like this influence so many minds in our country?

 

[Imran Khan]

its a free country anyone can have an opinion . whatever he believes

 

[Itachi]

its a free country anyone can have an opinion . whatever he believes

There's a difference in using your rights, whatever they may be, in a polite manner versus what Dr. Hoodbhoy is doing here...

Being given the right to have free speech doesn't mean you use that right for ulterior motives, especially for someone known for anti-State, Pakistani & Islamic opinions.