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80-90% of the terrorists die while crossing the LOC. This isn't the 1990s where we are constrained by funds. We have endless amounts of artillery at the border and only growing everyday. Any Talibunny trying to enter will be smoked in a hail of gunfire. Like 2 out of 10 will make it across.



If you don't have any minorities remaining, who will you even lynch. Your minorities are down from 10% to 2%. You can all claim they adopted Islam by choice, no one believes than nonsense. Riots and pogroms only occur when the majority feels threatened by the minority. In Pakistan you have simply eliminated the minorities, so there is no one to lynch or do some riots against. Minorities in Pakistan follow the social hierarchy that you set. You never see them demanding that they be allowed to contest for offices of the PM, or demanding secular laws or build endless amounts of temples or churches etc. They are so few in number they know they will never succeed. Thats why you don't have riots. You make it so hard for them they either have to flee or convert. Nothing else explains the fall from 10% to 2%.
No, Pakistan's non-Muslim population didn't decline from 23% to 3.7% as BJP claims
During the debate on the Citizenship Amendment Bill in Parliament, the BJP repeatedly claimed that population of religious minorities in Pakistan has declined from 23% in 1947 to 3.7% in 2011. Analysis of official data however shows this argument is faulty.

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    • Mukesh Rawat
  • New Delhi
  • December 12, 2019
  • UPDATED: December 12, 2019 23:59 IST
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It is a fact that religious minorities have been persecuted and face discrimination in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but the figures quoted by the BJP are untrue. (Photo: Reuters file)

While moving the Citizenship Amendment Bill in the Lok Sabha on Monday, Union Home Minister Amit Shah said at the time of Independence, non-Muslims comprised 23 per cent of Pakistan's population and that by 2011 their share was reduced to 3.7 per cent.

With regards to Bangladesh, he claimed that in 1947, non-Muslims comprised 22 per cent of its population and their share in 2011 fell to 7.8 per cent.

Amit Shah's verbatim quote in Hindi: "1947 main Pakistan ke andar alpasankhyakon ki aabadi 23 pratishat thi, aur 2011 main wog ghat kar 3.7 pratishat ho gayi. Bangladesh main 1947 main aplsankhyakon ki aabadi 22 pratishat thi aur 2011 main wo kam ho kar 7.8 pratishat ho gayi. Kahan gaye ye log? Ya toh unka dharm parivartan hua. Ya wo maar diye gaye, ya bhaga diye gaye, ya Bharat aa gaye."

(Refer to Amit Shah's speech from the video on his Twitter profile below from 9min 40sec onwards for this quote.)

On Wednesday, while moving the Citizenship Amendment Bill in the Rajya Sabha, Amit Shah reiterated his claim, saying Pakistan and Bangladesh have seen a decline of up to 20 percentage points in their populations of religious minorities.

"Whan ke alpshankyak kahan gaye? Ya toh vo maar diye gaye, ya unhone Bharat main sharan liya (Where did the minorities disappear in Pakistan and Bangladesh? Either they were persecuted or they took shelter in India)," Amit Shah said in the Rajya Sabha.

This has been a position maintained by the Bharatiya Janata Party and its supporters. To highlight the persecution of religious minorities in Pakistan (particularly of the Hindus), the BJP and right-wing Hindu organisations in India have been citing similar figures to argue that non-Muslims were brutally persecuted in an Islamic Pakistan after the Partition of 1947.

in 2013. The artilce 'Cleansing Pakistan of Minorities' was written by Farahnaz Ispahani, former member of Pakistan's Parliament. But she too did not mention the source of her figures.

The preceding figures on Pakistan's religious composition that are available are from Census 1941. But since it was conducted in an undivided India, referring to it is futile as it doesn't reflect the ground situation created just after the bloodied Partition in 1947.

After its formation, the first census in Pakistan was carried out in 1951. This census included both East and West Pakistan.

As per this census, the share of Muslims in Pakistan's overall population in 1951 was 85.80 per cent, while the share of non-Muslims was 14.20 per cent. (Pakistan here refers to East and West Pakistan taken together).

What is important to note in Census 1951 is that Pakistan's non-Muslim population wasn't evenly distributed.

In West Pakistan, the non-Muslim population was just 3.44 per cent, while in East Pakistan (today's Bangladesh) they had a significant share comprising 23.20 per cent of the population therein.

As per Census 1951, share of Muslims in Pakistan's overall population was 85.80%, while share of non-Muslims was 14.20%.
To understand the change in population of religious minorities in present-day Pakistan, we need to separately analyse the trends in West Pakistan and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).

WHAT HAPPENED IN WEST PAKISTAN

In 1951, Muslims comprised 96.56 per cent of the total population in the territory that is today known as Pakistan. The table below details the religious composition of each of Pakistan's five provinces.


The next census in Pakistan was carried out in 1961 which said the non-Muslim population in West Pakistan had reduced to 2.83 per cent of West Pakistan's total population.

By 1972 when Pakistan carried out its third census, East Pakistan had been liberated and was now known as Bangladesh.

The 1972 census shows non-Muslims in Pakistan comprised 3.25 per cent of the total population. This was higher than their share in 1961. By the time the next census was carried out in 1981, Pakistan's non-Muslim population saw a miniscule rise--from 3.25 per cent in 1972 to 3.30 per cent in 1981.


Thus in a nutshell, based on Pakistan's census data we find:

1) Population of non-Muslims was never 23 per cent of Pakistan's total population.

2) Even in undivided Pakistan, share of non-Muslim population never even touched the 15 per cent mark. (The highest was 14.2 per cent in 1951.)

3) When it comes to today's Pakistan (i.e. erstwhile West Pakistan), non-Muslims comprised 3.44 per cent of the region's population in 1951.

4) Census data show that share of non-Muslims in Pakistan has hovered around 3.5 per cent over the decades.

THE SITUATION IN EAST PAKISTAN (today's BANGLADESH)

Now, since the trend of non-Muslim population in the region that comprises Pakistan today is clear, we shall look at what happened in East Pakistan, which in 1971 became Bangladesh.

Pakistan's census data show that non-Muslims formed 23.20 per cent of East Pakistan's total population in 1951.

Over the years, this share has indeed reduced significantly, but still not as much as the BJP has claimed.

By 1961, share of non-Muslims in East Pakistan had reduced to 19.57 per cent, In 1974 it further reduced to 14.60 per cent; in 1981 to 13.40 per cent; in 1991 to 11.70 per cent and in 2001 to 10.40 per cent.


Bangladesh's latest census carried out in 2011 revealed that the share of non-Muslims has gone below 10 per cent of the country's overall population. In 2011, non-Muslims comprised 9.60 per cent of Bangladesh's population.

Thus, between 1951 and 2011, population of non-Muslims shrunk from a high of 23.20 per cent to a low 9.40 per cent.

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WHERE BJP'S CLAIM IS WRONG

Having separately examined the trend in population change in the regions that are today known as Pakistan and Bangladesh, let's examine the claims made by the BJP.

The BJP has claimed:

1) Population of non-Muslims in Pakistan has reduced from 23 per cent at the time of Independence to 3.7 per cent in 2011.

2) Population of non-Muslims in Bangladesh was 22 per cent at the time of Independence and has been reduced to 7.8 per cent in 2011.

3) This decline in population share of non-Muslims in these two Islamic countries was due to widespread religious persecution.

As discussed earlier, there is no official data on the religious composition of Pakistan at the time of Partition (then including today's Bangladesh). The closest official figures available are from Census 1951. What happened between 1947 and 1951 is subject to individual interpretation.

It is a fact that thousands of non-Muslims were persecuted in Pakistan at the time of Partition in 1947 (just as thousands of Muslims were persecuted in India). Besides this, thousands of Hindus and other religious minorities left Pakistan and entered India in 1947 and thousands of Muslims left India to become Pakistani citizens. This widespread migration and killings did alter the religious composition of the regions concerned in comparison to the situation before Partition. But the exact scale of these persecutions and migration remains unknown in absence of data, and hence the population share of non-Muslims in Pakistan in 1947 remains unknown.








https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...zenship-amendment-bill-bjp-1627678-2019-12-12


From an Indian source.
If this doesn't bust the myth of Pakistan's disappeared Hindu population, nothing will.


 
Thanks Jinnah

1947

at least we have our own country, we split India and made a country which can take any nation on earth

we are not living under these flithy Hindus


This "split India" narrative is such non sense. We didn't "split" India. We just negotiated our lands back with the colonial occupiers, the lands which were under "British Raj". Those who are still projecting this "split India" narrative are unwittingly toeing the line of these Hindu extremists and terrorists.
 
uhm, you DO know that your daddy uncle sam is groveling at the feat of the 'Talibunnies, don't ya? and your military strength is dismal (at best) compared to even Pakistan be it artillery, air or the sea and the size of a broken toe nail compared to your uncle sam. funds were never a problem for you and yet, you still got raped in broad daylight both in air, on land & under the sea in spite of this self proclaimed "endless artillery". the "80-90% of terrorists" figure is about as real the "300 terrorists killed" in balakot. :lol: wake up and smell the fantashtik chai...india is not just a paper tiger, india is a TOILET paper tiger! :rofl:


14 years? you are already have way too being broke. in 14 months, you'll be a bankrupt banana republic smoldering in civil war. it's already getting to that point. but enjoy the ignorance... we'll track in a couple of years...
I have been hearing this from the time I started visiting this site .you can keep the tradition of Pakistan by hoping India is falling into turmoil
 
was much bigger than that. primary objective was to create insurgencies in russia & China and bring em down to their knees while strong american influence on central Asian states. surprised you missed that by a mile, perhaps knowingly.

That was the objectives dueing Mujahideen war in 1975-1995. But after that it was a retaliation for 9-11 and to stabilize middle east and avoid any proxy presence in Afghanistan. There is very little USA can do to destabilise Russia or China. After USSR split, Russia got ethnic homogeneity. So, there is very little that one could do to Russia. Russia was attacked by Jihadi in 1990s in Chechnya but failed miserably. China is too distant and only Xinjiang could be influenced. Moreover, Muslims in China is just 3% of population and hence can't so much anyways.
DGISPR does not make press briefings regarding black ops. may wanna ask your goi where did that general go? aray zameen khaa gayi, asmaan ningal gaya, did he retire? what happened to that base? why is the goi so silent about it? neither confirmed nor denied, why? Cuz it's clear by the satellite imagery that hell did break loose there where your ammunition depot was located.
I can research only if I know more about this. But I will try to research anyways.

All a part of our war on terror which we've definitively & decisively won with flying colors hands down. if you were trying to use that as an excuse to show that our forces are as inept as yours then you've picked a very contradictory example to the point that your trying to make.
No, the ones who rebelled were not some terrorists but active Navy personnel
 
dude...wake up outta your bollywood la la land and smell the fantashtik tea. As you can tell from your own fatal mistakes last year, Pakistan can & will fly in, march in, sail in and bomb you, smack you, hit you, kick you, punch you, friggin molest you as it wants when it wants and how it wants. Just like February 27th, you will shut up & take it DRY where sun don't shine! Now I'm sure your response is gonna be "massive" and "overwhelming" and "ruthless" in your bollywood movies where ajay dev gand will be dancing while killing "atankvadis" but let's face it, you'll be take your frustrations out of the Muslims of india and we'll just be pouring more fuel on the fire. 8-)
First please bring more medals than Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in Asian Games before invading India. Otherwise we will feel bad that how come we lost a war to this country? If you atleast bring more medals than SL and BD and Nepal then we will atleast feel better that we lost to a worthy opponent.
 
First please bring more medals than Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in Asian Games before invading India. Otherwise we will feel bad that how come we lost a war to this country? If you atleast bring more medals than SL and BD and Nepal then we will atleast feel better that we lost to a worthy opponent.
how's this for a medal?8-)
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First please bring more medals than Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in Asian Games before invading India. Otherwise we will feel bad that how come we lost a war to this country? If you atleast bring more medals than SL and BD and Nepal then we will atleast feel better that we lost to a worthy opponent.
What a stupid post is this, we never invade India at any war after the independence of both countries
 
That was the objectives dueing Mujahideen war in 1975-1995. But after that it was a retaliation for 9-11 and to stabilize middle east and avoid any proxy presence in Afghanistan. There is very little USA can do to destabilise Russia or China. After USSR split, Russia got ethnic homogeneity. So, there is very little that one could do to Russia. Russia was attacked by Jihadi in 1990s in Chechnya but failed miserably. China is too distant and only Xinjiang could be influenced. Moreover, Muslims in China is just 3% of population and hence can't so much anyways.
China was no threat economically nor militarily during the 70s to the 90s. Now, they can clearly replace the united states basically at every level. On top of that, Russia is that much more dangerous to europe with an economic powerhouse like China standing behind it. internal strife and a civil war like situation (kinda like the india faces now) would've comfortably taken those threats away if america succeeded in subduing the taliban. right now, the american deep state is riddled with both depression AND panic.
I can research only if I know more about this. But I will try to research anyways.
you do that. As I said...goi has a lot of uneasy questions to answer that they've been deflecting.
No, the ones who rebelled were not some terrorists but active Navy personnel
that doubly ruins your point...the fundos tried to make their way into our military establishment but end of the day, they've been soundly defeated. on the other hand, the fundos have taken over not just the indian government but also the indian military establishment turning it into a mere propaganda tool for the bjp.
 
80-90% of the terrorists die while crossing the LOC. This isn't the 1990s where we are constrained by funds. We have endless amounts of artillery at the border and only growing everyday. Any Talibunny trying to enter will be smoked in a hail of gunfire. Like 2 out of 10 will make it across.



If you don't have any minorities remaining, who will you even lynch. Your minorities are down from 10% to 2%. You can all claim they adopted Islam by choice, no one believes than nonsense. Riots and pogroms only occur when the majority feels threatened by the minority. In Pakistan you have simply eliminated the minorities, so there is no one to lynch or do some riots against. Minorities in Pakistan follow the social hierarchy that you set. You never see them demanding that they be allowed to contest for offices of the PM, or demanding secular laws or build endless amounts of temples or churches etc. They are so few in number they know they will never succeed. Thats why you don't have riots. You make it so hard for them they either have to flee or convert. Nothing else explains the fall from 10% to 2%.

you people are too stupid to understand us in the west. You have never had many Indians living here in west! Only some of You need n Punjab and Sindh had minority’s living there! Most of Pakistan from Quetta, Peshawar through the middle to china border had no Indians living here. Only time we really met Indians was 1947 Muslims coming to Karachi from rape and murder. Your stupid British India is in your heads only the percentage you people are bringing up makes only sense in when East Pakistan was part of us. That’s where all you Indians Hindus etc were living. And still are. So stop going about it when it’s so untrue
 
Proof is in the pudding.... Every verified data... Such as 1st hand experiences by unbiased people have made that distinction between the two societies.

You... As someone not from Pakistan or as someone who has even visited Pakistan... Are not an experienced person to make that distinction.



Lol... You have never been to Pakistan to know how diverse we are.

proof of what? I do agree nobody can claim 1st hand experience if they haven't actually been there and witnessed something. But then I am not the one that alleged comparative civilizations, you did.

From what I have seen and heard of Pakistani origin people here in the US, they seem reasonably 'civilized' just like the Indians - in fact some times even I cannot tell the difference between the two - well actually north Indians and Pakistanis. South Indians ofcourse I can tell because I am from there and know most accents of those.

Ramble aside, what is civilized according to you?

Losses are irrelevant given the prize of humbling the greatest super power in history. new delhi is rightly worried...Pashtoons remember their enemies, patiently buy there time & then slice n dice when the enemy least suspects it. And they have us backing them up. I dread your future...if you'll even have one.

seriously? US and NATO kill tens of thousands in Afghanistan and Pakistan, bomb at will and when their electorate has had enough, force everyone to the table to sign something and get out. That is 'humbling' of the super power? I have nothing against the pashtoons and they may be the ruggedest creatures ever to walk but don't see anything of a prize in losing tens of thousands, run everytime they hear an aircraft engine and take ones own country back to barbaric ages
 

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