HAL may not meet SU-30MKI delivery deadline

[isro2222]

@Pakistani nationalist which su-30 variant is most advance variant?.... Su-30MKI the only su-30 variants which are far ahead then any su-30.... Now after more modification it will be super sukhoi-30MKI.... yes it will be nearly Sukhoi-35....

 

[deepakclaw]

Our current su-30mki's are far better than su-35..............u dont need super sukhois

 

[U.S Navy SEALs]

Our current su-30mki's are far better than su-35..............u dont need super sukhois

Don't get over confident, please. Su-30MKI's are quite capable out of the Su-30 variants, but Su-35 is in another league. Of course Su-30MKI is ahead of anything Pakistan has, and is on par with Chinese fighters. With the upgrades going through it may possibly be close to a Su-35, but at current standards it's not. Su-35 is the most capable fighter with Russia to-date.

 

[NirmalKrish]

Our current su-30mki's are far better than su-35..............u dont need super sukhois

Specifications (Su-35S)Data from KNAAPO, Su-27 books
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 21.9 m (72.9 ft)
Wingspan: 15.3 m (50.2 ft)
Height: 5.90 m (19.4 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg (40,570 lb)
Loaded weight: 25,300 kg (56,660 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 34,500 kg (76,060 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Saturn 117S with TVC nozzle turbofan
Dry thrust: 8,800 kgf[72] (86.3 kN, 19,400 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 14,500 kgf (142 kN, 31,900 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.25 (2,390 km/h, 1,490 mph) at altitude
Range: 3,600 km (1,940 nmi) ; (1,580 km, 850 nmi near ground level)
Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,430 nmi) with external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)
Rate of climb: >280 m/s (>55,100 ft/min)
Wing loading: 408 kg/m² (84.9 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.1
Armament


1 × 30 mm GSh-30 internal cannon with 150 rounds
2 × wingtip rails for R-73 air-to-air missiles or ECM pods
12 × wing and fuselage stations for up to 8,000 kg (17,630 lb) of ordnance, including a variety of air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, rockets, and bombs such as:
Vympel R-27: R-27R, R-27ER, R-27T, R-27ET, R-27EP, R-27AE
Vympel R-77: R-77, and the proposed R-77M1, R-77T
Vympel R-73: R-73E, R-73M, R-74M
Kh-31: Kh-31A, Kh-31P Anti-Radiation Missile
Kh-59
Kh-29: Kh-29T, Kh-29L
KAB-500L laser-guided bomb
KAB-1500 laser-guided bomb
LGB-250 laser-guided bomb
FAB-250 250 kilograms (550 lb) unguided bombs
FAB-500 500 kilograms (1,100 lb) unguided bombs
S-25LD laser-guided rocket, S-250 unguided rocket
B-8 unguided S-8 rocket pods
B-13 unguided S-13 rocket pods
Avionics


Irbis-E passive phased array radar

AND

Specifications (Sukhoi Su-30MKI)Data from KNAAPO,[67] and Sukhoi[68]
General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg[69] (40,565 lb)
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,600 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.9 (2,120 km/h, 1,317 mph) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level
Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refueling)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.1
Armament


Guns: 1 × GSh-30-1 gun (30 mm caliber, 150 rounds)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.

Air-to-air Missiles:

10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 120 km
6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM,80 km
2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Air-to-surface Missiles:

3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
1 × PJ-10 Brahmos supersonic cruise missile,300 km
1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile,1000 km
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
Bombs:

8 × KAB-500L laser guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs

 

[OrionHunter]

So What's new?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Don't get over confident, please. Su-30MKI's are quite capable out of the Su-30 variants, but Su-35 is in another league. Of course Su-30MKI is ahead of anything Pakistan has, and is on par with Chinese fighters. With the upgrades going through it may possibly be close to a Su-35, but at current standards it's not. Su-35 is the most capable fighter with Russia to-date.

The initial contract for 50 su-30mkis was around 1.4 billion dollars... thts roughly 29 million dollars... and the jets india ordered was around 32-35 million $ each.. so lets not brag about lies.. no SU variants is above 35 million $..

@Pakistani nationalist which su-30 variant is most advance variant?.... Su-30MKI the only su-30 variants which are far ahead then any su-30.... Now after more modification it will be super sukhoi-30MKI.... yes it will be nearly Sukhoi-35....

Yeah right... F-16 blk 52+ and FC-20.... You gotta be jokin!

 

[arcane]

The initial contract for 50 su-30mkis was around 1.4 billion dollars... thts roughly 29 million dollars... and the jets india ordered was around 32-35 million $ each.. so lets not brag about lies.. no SU variants is above 35 million $..



Yeah right... F-16 blk 52+ and FC-20.... You gotta be jokin!

you have the most terrible knowledge about india dude, the contract was of technology transfer, so that sukhois were to be manufactured in india, buying a jet directly would cost much more....

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

you have the most terrible knowledge about india dude, the contract was of technology transfer, so that sukhois were to be manufactured in india, buying a jet directly would cost much more....

Looks like you didnt understand my post... tot further reduces the cost of per unit product... while your indian buddy claims the price of an su-30mki to be around 80 million... which is an EPIC BAKWAS...No offence.

 

[arcane]

Looks like you didnt understand my post... tot further reduces the cost of per unit product... while your indian buddy claims the price of an su-30mki to be around 80 million... which is an EPIC BAKWAS...No offence.

thats what i am saying....TOT reduces the per unit cost, so the jets worth 35 million under TOT could well be of 80 million when bought directly......

 

[joekrish]

Nothing surprising in this news HAL is famous for delays

Shucks! You were trying to troll with the kind of workload that HAl has I think they have done a great job but I'm sure they could get better with a little bit of external help sure you are not going to understand that.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Looks like you didnt understand my post... tot further reduces the cost of per unit product... while your indian buddy claims the price of an su-30mki to be around 80 million... which is an EPIC BAKWAS...No offence.

The most recent batch of MKIs do cost 80mil+ and the SUPER MKIs will cost 100mil+

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The most recent batch of MKIs do cost 80mil+ and the SUPER MKIs will cost 100mil+

Can you provide a link?Wiki says its 32.65 million with sources.... 100+ million is the supposed cost of F-35.

If the figure is true.. the russians r fooling indians.. in 2007 the price of 1 su30mki was around 32 million dollar...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Can you provide a link?Wiki says its 32.65 million with sources.... 100+ million is the supposed cost of F-35.

If the figure is true.. the russians r fooling indians.. in 2007 the price of 1 su30mki was around 32 million dollar...

Yes but the fighters are very advanced and the 100mil SUPER MKIs are going to be out of this world with AESA, new cockpit, HMDS, new missiles etc etc

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Can you provide a link?Wiki says its 32.65 million with sources.... 100+ million is the supposed cost of F-35.

If the figure is true.. the russians r fooling indians.. in 2007 the price of 1 su30mki was around 32 million dollar...

Yes but the fighters are very advanced and the latest batches are much more advanced than the first batches at 32mil and the 100mil SUPER MKIs are going to be out of this world with AESA, new cockpit, HMDS, new missiles etc etc

 

[ptldM3]

The initial contract for 50 su-30mkis was around 1.4 billion dollars... thts roughly 29

Russia has never sold India 50 SU-30MKI's. Russia sold India the basic SU-30 which was later modified. The more gagets the Indians wanted the higher the price became.

million dollars... and the jets india ordered was around 32-35 million $ each.. so lets not brag about lies.. no SU variants is above 35 million $..

The Malaysians payed about 900 millions for 18 fighters, that comes out to about 50 million a pop. That was about 8 years ago; i do not know what the terms of the contract was in regards to spares and after market support or if it was even included in the same deal but paying 50 million per aircraft nearly a dacade ago isn't cheap.

 

[sancho]

Why these idiots become journalists?


HAL was originally supposed to make 140 MKI by 2014/15, but now they are given 180 to be produced by 2014/15.

No they aren't, they last batch of 40 x upgraded are expected until 2017 and the article is confusing this point, especially since there is no official statement about it.

Looks like you didnt understand my post... tot further reduces the cost of per unit product... while your indian buddy claims the price of an su-30mki to be around 80 million... which is an EPIC BAKWAS...No offence.

Wrong! ToT doesn't reduce the production cost, but the fact that it's cheaper to produce in India than in Russia. Licence production under ToT even increases the unit costs per fighter, because you have to pay for the licence too, that's why HAL MKIs are expected to be as costly or even costlier than the first 50 ordered directly from Russia, while it increases participation and experience of Indian industry.
The $80 to 100 millions per unit ($4 to 5 billions totally) for the upgraded were never confirmed, but most likely includes the costs for the upgrade of the first 100 MKIs as well.