nato is there you pay americans for their weapons
cheaper than operating a larger army. Beside that its easier to act more moral this way. The americans do the dirty work and we look nice. Its a good example to outscource something.
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nato is there you pay americans for their weapons
cheaper than operating a larger army. Beside that its easier to act more moral this way. The americans do the dirty work and we look nice. Its a good example to outscource something.
Mate, you talk like as if US foughts your wars.... being a NATO member is good... additional security and stuff.. but isn't it much better when you can rely on your army when shit hits the fan.....
We learned it in the hard way when we invaded Cyprus.
No it is not.
The difference is that we think in different perspectives. You think about nationstates. I think in the "western club". Nation states are worthless and a thing of the past. Why should i want a more powerful army for germany? Wh not for bavaria then or any small german state? We live in the 21st century. NATO fights our wars. I´m for the disposal of nation states completly and one government. The EU is good in that aspect. I´m not a nationalistic little farm boy.
Fair enough... if there would be a time when NATO won't serve your nation's interests we will do this talk again.
Also you can talk against nationstates as your are part of EU... as Turkey we are on our own so we should always rely to ourselves..
What is my nation? Germany or Italy? That shows why i don´t agree with you in this. For me the EU is my nation state. I see the entire EU as my home.
We may really think very different from each other.Would you personally go and fight for the sake of Greeks or Romanians ??? You would do that for Germany for sure.
If you say, you can throw your life away for an other country... then i have nothing more to say.We may really think very different from each other.
I´m too smart to be a soldier. I let others fight for me. I would never go in any army. I would not give one drop of blood for germany nor would i for greece or romanian. Do you honestly believe that i´m that typoe of guy who would lay in the dirt and follows orders?

I´m too smart to be a soldier. I let others fight for me. I would never go in any army. I would not give one drop of blood for germany nor would i for greece or romanian. Do you honestly believe that i´m that typoe of guy who would lay in the dirt and follows orders?
Lol, okay.![]()
Yes you will have to when conscripts are needed, nowadays in Western Europe too many people are getting higher education, if everyone thinks he's too smart there won't even be enough ground troops anymore.
We come from different backgrounds. For you war and such conflicts are pretty much a reality. For Me? Its a thing of movies. We have no war in europe since decades. We know no war. Wars are things far away. And its done in few weeks. When i was a small boy we had the war against Serbia. My dad was a technician in the Luftwaffe. And he was back home after just 4 weeks and saw nothing. We have the technology to hit evryone. On same time our enemies don´t have the ability to hurt us.
So try to see this from my point of view.


We fought our last real war in WW1... i think the real difference comes from nationalism and culture.. we hold our flag, borders and independence as holy.
Ask every Turkish member in this forum... i bet you can't find a single soul that who won't fight for our country with his life.
Anyways... i think Germany doesn't need to invest in Military stuff much. You region is peaceful unlike us. You should use that many to welfare of your citizens not to war machines.![]()
Turkey is doing fine without joining European Union in next 5 Years it won't even need too The Economy is getting stronger and independent. What is Germany getting being in European union and NATO, from economic perspective it is Germany that is bailing out every other European nation rest like france and uk are sitting like idiots.
NATO is pointless almost all European Nations are at peace the fear from Russia is nothing but a nightmare implanted by US. with over 7000 Nukes what does it matter to russia; any adventurism by NATO would wreack havoc upon Europe without be MAD.
Aside from the topic I think the next NATO stop is African invasion key Nations Nigeria and Sudan but most likely Nigeria that's where NATO is heading there would be rift between Germany and US but they will still join in for a lunch in Africa...