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Germany Considers Recruiting Foreign Nationals for Military

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German armed forces recruits at a training area in Viereck, Germany. The chief of defense said the military was considering enlisting foreign nationals for highly specialized roles.

By Christopher F. Schuetze

Dec. 27, 2018

BERLIN — Concerned about filling its ranks seven years after abolishing mandatory military service, Germany is looking into recruiting foreigners for service, according to reports released on Thursday, though there were conflicting accounts of the extent of those plans.

General Eberhard Zorn, the chief of defense, said the military, or Bundeswehr, was considering enlisting foreign nationals for highly specialized roles, like doctors and information technology specialists.

“In times of skilled labor shortage, we have to look in all directions,” he said in an interview with the Funke Media group, which was widely reported by other German news organizations.

Hours after his comments appeared, the newsmagazine Der Spiegel published an article about a leaked government report indicating that plans to recruit citizens of other European Union countries were broader and more concrete than the narrow, tentative notion aired by General Zorn.

According to the magazine, the report discussed adding large numbers of foreigners between the ages of 18 and 40 to the Bundeswehr, in a variety of roles. In particular, it suggested that the nearly two million Poles, Italians and Romanians already living in Germany would make good candidates.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defense would not comment on the authenticity of the leaked report, but said that any plans under consideration were limited to highly trained recruits for clearly defined roles.

The armed forces have about 180,000 troops, about one-third as many as the former West Germany had in 1990, but the government has committed to expanding the military in the next few years.

There has already been some public debate in recent years about whether non-Germans have a place in the Bundeswehr in a modern, immigrant-friendly nation that is deeply integrated in the European Union. Last July, politicians sparred over whether foreigners serving under the German flag would be given access to German citizenship.

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The plan would put non-German Europeans in German uniforms for the first time since World War II.

Several European countries allow citizens of other European Union members to serve in their militaries. But Germany’s history of militarism and conscription of the people of conquered nations makes the idea particularly delicate.

Germany and other NATO countries have clashed publicly with President Trump, who has accused them of spending too little on their own defense, and the German Army is suffering from poorly maintained equipment. According to news reports, the Bundeswehr had to scrape together everything from tanks to body armor to be able to participate in this year’s NATO maneuvers in Norway.

Since 2014, Germany’s defense minister, Ursula von der Leyen, has tried to boost recruitment by making the military seem more modern and appealing.

“It boils down to the question, what is the Bundeswehr?” said Sönke Neitzel, a military historian at the University of Potsdam. “Is it a fighting force or a corporation?”

Although there are already several German divisions that include brigades from other countries, the plans being considered would put non-German Europeans in German uniforms for the first time since World War II.

After the Cold War, the demand for soldiers grew smaller as Germany intentionally shrank its military, while reunification with East Germany made the population pool larger. The minimum span of a soldier’s service dropped to six months from 18. In 2011, the country ended conscription.

The military has changed significantly since the Cold War. It focuses far more on cyberwarfare and special forces, the number of women in uniform has increased and as Germany has grown more ethnically diverse so has the army.

But attracting professionally trained personnel has been a problem.

That is a problem in the private sector, too, in a country where the economy is growing but the working-age population is not. Karl Brenke, who studies the work force for the German Institute for Economic Research, says it has been very common for German employers to hire foreigners, especially people from the eastern countries of the European Union.

“Over half the workers hired in the recent economic expansion come from abroad,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/world/europe/germany-military-foreign-nationals.html
 
UK recently did this in Europe, now Germany is following suite? Wow, i guess importing labor is the way to go when you dont have the population, whether its for your labor force or military. smfh.
 
UK recently did this in Europe, now Germany is following suite? Wow, i guess importing labor is the way to go when you dont have the population, whether its for your labor force or military. smfh.

Well, it depends on who will be imported and recruited in the German Army.
Polish people do not cause (many) problems in Germany, while Afghans rape and kill.
I think the Germans would rather have a John Sobieski than a Mullah Omar.
 
US had debated about this too, Mexicans for US Military and after a good service a chance for US Citizenship. Too bad you guys don't want Afghans, Pak has surplus of few millions that you can pick from if you like. As much as these Afghans love Pakistan, I am sure they would jump on first chance to move to Germany or Europe.

PS: Saying Afghans rape / kill is akin to every Caucasian person walking in Pakistan is CIA agent or Blackwater merc.
 
US had debated about this too, Mexicans for US Military and after a good service a chance for US Citizenship.

They would probably be dead before they had a chance at citizenship.

Too bad you guys don't want Afghans, Pak has surplus of few millions that you can pick from if you like. As much as these Afghans love Pakistan,

I like your sarcasm.

PS: Saying Afghans rape / kill is akin to every Caucasian person walking in Pakistan is CIA agent or Blackwater merc.

It was an example.
But these type of crimes committed by Afghans are published in the German media and therefore create a certain image of Afghans among the general population.
 
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i think you are confusing New Delhi with Kabul.

Five Afghan asylum seekers are arrested for allegedly raping a girl, 15, in Germany - as country is rocked by sex attack on student, 18, 'by Syrian migrants'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-15-Germany-country-rocked-migrant-crime.html

Girl, 15, 'is pinned down and raped by two Afghan migrants - including one who arrived in Europe as an unaccompanied minor' - in latest case to shock Germany

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pinned-raped-two-Afghan-migrants-Germany.html

Afghan migrant gets life sentence for raping, murdering German student

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...raping-murdering-german-student-idUSKBN1GY1LK

Two Afghans detained on suspicion of killing man in east Germany: police

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ling-man-in-east-germany-police-idUSKCN1LP0E5


These are a couple of examples.

Indians might rape a lot in India, but in Germany, 'refugees' like Afghans have raped and killed more than Indians have.

I am no Indian, Afghan or German by the way.
I do live in The Netherlands, which is next to Germany.
Therefore we do read and see a lot of what is happening in Germany on the news and in other media.
 
Well, it depends on who will be imported and recruited in the German Army.
Polish people do not cause (many) problems in Germany, while Afghans rape and kill.
I think the Germans would rather have a John Sobieski than a Mullah Omar.

However... Mullah Omar knows how to kick arse...

Just kidding... I do agree... Most of these afghans are Haram khors snakes... Ask Pakistan... But you India loves them Bacha bazi types especially.
 
Non-citizen soldiers in Germany: What you need to know

Ben Knight

27.12.2018

Germany's decision to consider allowing non-citizens into its armed forces is not unique. In fact, many countries, including the US and Russia, use the promise of citizenship as a way to recruit new troops.

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The news that the Bundeswehr is tentatively considering recruiting non-German European Union citizens has naturally triggered concerns about both the state of the German military and the skilled labor market, both of which are apparently proving hard to fill.

As if to head off the former worry, the source of the story, Bundeswehr Inspector General Eberhard Zorn was careful to note that they were mainly talking about "doctors and IT specialists," rather than active troops.

But as Zorn — the highest ranking soldier in the German armed forces — knows, this is hardly a new idea. For one thing, Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen already floated the notion of widening the net for new soldiers in a "white book" on the future of the Bundeswehr in early 2017.

For another, the idea that soldiers have to be citizens of the country they serve is not a taboo. Many countries have foreign nationals in their military ranks. Here are the obvious examples.

EU: Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, and Ireland

Several smaller EU countries recruit soldiers from around the continent. EU citizens aged between 18 and 34 have been allowed to join Belgium's armed forces since 2004. The Danish military allows foreign recruits, as long as they are already living in Denmark and can speak Danish, and Luxembourg also allows EU citizens to join, as long as they have been living in the country for three years and are aged between 18 and 24.

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Bundeswehr Inspector General Eberhard Zorn: The new proposal is not focused on active troops

Ireland allows any citizen of the European Economic Area (the EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Norway) to join its military, while other foreign nationals can also apply as long as they have been living in Ireland for three years.

United Kingdom

Britain has traditionally sourced military recruits from the former colonies of its empire, which in the first half of the 20th century morphed into an international organization of 53 nations known as the Commonwealth, now a bloc of some 2.3 billion people that includes Australia, India, Canada, Kenya, and Fiji.

Facing similar troop shortages to Germany, the British military is now also relaxing its rules on allowing foreign nationals to enter. The Ministry of Defense announced in November that it would no longer require Commonwealth citizens to have lived in the UK for five years before joining up. But no other citizens are considered: EU nationals need not apply.

France

The French Foreign Legion remains unique as the oldest foreign-only military branch still active. Founded in 1831, foreign nationals are still commanded by French officers, and can apply for French citizenship after three years' service.

Spain

Spain has allowed foreigners into its military since 2002, when it began recruiting citizens from ex-colonies (a measure that some branded as imperialist). But the new recruitment drive excluded Moroccans, even though its northern part was once a Spanish colony.

Many non-citizen Spanish soldiers have become naturalized Spaniards in that period. Initially, the quota of foreign personnel was limited to 2 percent, though that was later raised to 9 percent.


The French Foreign Legion has been active since 1831

Russia

Russia loosened its own rules on foreign nationals joining the military in 2010, a move seen as a way to tempt ethnic Russians living in former Soviet Union countries to return.

Russia has also made the army a fast-tracked route to citizenship: non-Russians who speak Russian can sign five-year contracts to join the military, with the option of applying for citizenship after three years.

United States

The US allows permanent residents and Green Card holders to join the military (though not become commissioned officers), a path that is also seen as a fast-track to US citizenship.

In 2002, President George W. Bush signed an order allowing citizenship procedures to be accelerated for non-US soldiers in the military. Now, around 8,000 non-citizens join the US military every year, with the two biggest countries of origin being Mexico and the Philippines.

The US military also has regulations allowing citizens of small Pacific nations like Micronesia and Palau to join up.

https://www.dw.com/en/non-citizen-soldiers-in-germany-what-you-need-to-know/a-46877642

However... Mullah Omar knows how to kick arse...

He knew. Past tense.

And do you not know who John Sobieski was?
Ask any Ottoman Turk.

Just kidding... I do agree... Most of these afghans are Haram khors snakes... Ask Pakistan...

I do not need to ask Pakistanis.
They are already shouting it from the rooftops. :D

But you India loves them Bacha bazi types especially.

1. I am not Indian.
2. I hate pedophiles, Afghan or otherwise.
 
US had debated about this too, Mexicans for US Military and after a good service a chance for US Citizenship. Too bad you guys don't want Afghans, Pak has surplus of few millions that you can pick from if you like. As much as these Afghans love Pakistan, I am sure they would jump on first chance to move to Germany or Europe.

PS: Saying Afghans rape / kill is akin to every Caucasian person walking in Pakistan is CIA agent or Blackwater merc.

US already does this, 5 year service (I think) for Green card
 

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