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A group of MPs from Angela Merkel’s CDU is pressing the German chancellor to keep Huawei out of the country's 5G network | Adam Berry/Getty Images


BERLIN — A group of MPs from Angela Merkel’s center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) is pressing the German chancellor to keep Chinese telecom company Huawei out of the country’s 5G network, citing national security reasons.

The push comes after Berlin last week released a new “security catalogue” for telecoms networks, which critics say lacks teeth because it only obliges Huawei to sign a “no spy” clause while generally opening 5G tenders to the Chinese telecoms giant.

Merkel has come under fire for her decision from allies like the U.S., which warned last week the move could have serious implications for future intelligence-sharing between Berlin and Washington.

Critics say Germany is bowing to pressure from China because it fears trade retaliation from the Asian powerhouse, which is Germany’s biggest trading partner and an important export destination at a time when the German economy risks sliding into a recession.

Senior CDU lawmaker Norbert Röttgen told POLITICO that he wants Merkel not to decide alone on the 5G issue, but submit the decision to the German parliament, which should debate and vote on the case.

Critics say Germany is bowing to pressure from China because it fears trade retaliation from the Asian powerhouse.

“The last word is far from spoken and I’m also cautiously optimistic that this matter can be decided in the Bundestag in the coming weeks or months,” said Röttgen, who is chair of the parliament’s committee for foreign affairs.

He described the 5G network as a “digital neural system” for Germany’s economy, society and political system, which meant the decision was “a first-rank question of national security.”

“In reality, this is not about Huawei but the trust in the Chinese leadership: This is a company that is at the mercy of state interests and can, in doubt, not refuse government-led interference,” he said, adding: “Significant state influence is something that we cannot tolerate because it would mean that we don’t have that company but the state in our networks.”

“I’m … cautiously optimistic that this matter can be decided in the Bundestag in the coming weeks or months” — senior CDU lawmaker Norbert Röttgen

Röttgen’s criticism was backed by his party colleague Mark Hauptmann, who said the 5G decision was about “critical infrastructure for the next 20 years.”

“I can only warn against relying on Huawei because we would enter a technological dependency relationship and there are massive security concerns, such as the outflow of information, a possible kill-switch scenario, but also a possible dependency in a trade war in which, for example, certain important accessories for a particular area could suddenly no longer be made available.”

Huawei and other Chinese telecommunication companies reject suggestions that their equipment is vulnerable to backdoors or spying by the Chinese state and says European countries should make their own decisions about 5G security.

The chancellor’s office could not immediately be reached for comment.

Hauptmann and Röttgen also expressed their concerns in an op-ed, co-signed by fellow CDU lawmakers Christoph Bernstiel, Peter Beyer, Stefan Rouenhoff and Roderich Kiesewetter, which was published by German newspaper Handelsblatt on Tuesday.

Hauptmann, in his interview with POLITICO, criticized that Huawei was partly offering prices for the installation of 5G networks that are below the purchase price for the required components. “This is not a market price, but a political price to push competitors out of the market,” he said.

He also asserted that China had largely shut European telecom providers Nokia and Ericsson out of its own tenders for 5G networks, and said that Germany should offer markets for those companies if it was serious about creating “European champions.”

“This is not a market price, but a political price to push competitors out of the market” — CDU lawmaker Mark Hauptmann

However, Hauptmann warned that Germany should brace for consequences if it decided to reject Huawei’s applications for 5G tenders: “It’s perfectly clear that excluding Huawei will lead to a response from the Chinese.”

His party colleague Röttgen said that Germany should coordinate its decision with European partners to cushion such retaliation.

“China prefers to pick and sanction individual countries and is betting on the premise that there is no solidarity [among EU countries],” he said. “I am firmly convinced that if we stand together here, there is no way to sanction Europe.”
 
German are at right side this time. China and Russia block is the future. China has already working model of 5G, where as all of the Europe and USA herself are struggling with implementation. I think it will be wise to Germany to be powerful in this case.
 
German are at right side this time. China and Russia block is the future. China has already working model of 5G, where as all of the Europe and USA herself are struggling with implementation. I think it will be wise to Germany to be powerful in this case.

What??? T-Mobile announced yesterday they should have 200M people within their 5G system by the end of the year. How is that struggling??
 
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What??? T-Mobile announced yesterday they should have 200M people within their 5G system by the end of the year. How is that struggling??
As you might be knowing about the standards. Currently everyone has its own standard in terms of network implementation and infrastructure layout. Chinese are pushing their version. Previously it was USA that was deciding factor in terms of viable market. But this is not the case anymore. And to be honest, companies like Ericsson are working more with Chinese than USA. So, seems like China is the deciding factor.
 
And to be honest, companies like Ericsson are working more with Chinese than USA. So, seems like China is the deciding factor.

What???? Ericsson is working with Verizon. Where do you see Ericsson working with Huawei or ZTE????

If you don’t know anything about this topic please leave this thread.
 
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German are at right side this time. China and Russia block is the future. China has already working model of 5G, where as all of the Europe and USA herself are struggling with implementation. I think it will be wise to Germany to be powerful in this case.

It's more about the threat of espionage.
 
What??? T-Mobile announced yesterday they should have 200M people within their 5G system by the end of the year. How is that struggling??

Whatever company 5G network come from, the licenses and tech are from Huawei. Same as Viettel in Vietnam, who is installing 5G in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar.
 
German are at right side this time. China and Russia block is the future. China has already working model of 5G, where as all of the Europe and USA herself are struggling with implementation. I think it will be wise to Germany to be powerful in this case.

Actually, University in US and EU hold more than 60% of patent in 5G technology, and it's actually the other way around. US and EU (Mostly Ericsson) did not depend on Huawei to develop their 5G, but Huawei need to depend on US/EU technology to develop 5G. China have 1 and only 1 advantage. That's the cost.

I bunk with a Master in EE/CE student, and we talked about 5G a lot, and he is working with Telstra. What he told me is that if Telstra uses Cicso hardware, they will need to pay around 15$/km for infrastructure, however, if they uses Huawei, the cost is lower to $5-6, however, in terms of development issue, those issue is long fixed. But the implementation cost is sometime triple.

Also, most country in the world already have working 5G model, even in Australia, we have 5G trial in Sydney. I think the country leading 5G development currently is South Korea which lead the 5G SEP in the world wih Samsung. Then China with Huawei, Then Erisson, Then Qualcomm
 
Actually, University in US and EU hold more than 60% of patent in 5G technology, and it's actually the other way around. US and EU (Mostly Ericsson) did not depend on Huawei to develop their 5G, but Huawei need to depend on US/EU technology to develop 5G. China have 1 and only 1 advantage. That's the cost.

I bunk with a Master in EE/CE student, and we talked about 5G a lot, and he is working with Telstra. What he told me is that if Telstra uses Cicso hardware, they will need to pay around 15$/km for infrastructure, however, if they uses Huawei, the cost is lower to $5-6, however, in terms of development issue, those issue is long fixed. But the implementation cost is sometime triple.

Also, most country in the world already have working 5G model, even in Australia, we have 5G trial in Sydney. I think the country leading 5G development currently is South Korea which lead the 5G SEP in the world wih Samsung. Then China with Huawei, Then Erisson, Then Qualcomm

What a pile of bollocks. Huawei's main co-operation partner in 5G is Germany's Dresdner Heinrich Hertz Instititut (affiliated with Fraunhofer Institut). That's the main reason why the US lost the race.

Look at the comments in Germany's most important IT platform. The absolute marority is against US telco companies and favour Huawei, because we all know that behind this initiative is a bunch of members of the US led Transatlantic Club. They are akin to the Hong Kong cockroaches only without throwing molly-cocktails.

https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-on...au-Unionspolitiker-gegen-Huawei/forum-436400/
 
What a pile of bollocks. Huawei's main co-operation partner in 5G is Germany's Dresdner Heinrich Hertz Instititut (affiliated with Fraunhofer Institut). That's the main reason why the US lost the race.

Look at the comments in Germany's most important IT platform. The absolute marority is against US telco companies and favour Huawei, because we all know that behind this initiative is a bunch of members of the US led Transatlantic Club. They are akin to the Hong Kong cockroaches only without throwing molly-cocktails.

https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-on...au-Unionspolitiker-gegen-Huawei/forum-436400/

The reason why US lost in 5G is because of 1 simple reason. Money

US does not earn money from selling 5G infrastructure equipment, they make money by selling patent to company like Cisco, Qualcomm and Huawei.

In term of SEP, Samsung lead the world by miles and that is probably the reason why they trial 5G ahead of anyone else in the field, China included.

And Germany is not in the lead of anything regarding 5G, so they have to either pair up with the Korean, the Swede, the American or the Chinese to develop their 5G Platform. Germany choose Huawei, which is logical, as i said before in my previous post, Chinese offer 3 times less cost in Australia, and if Australia is not loyal to the US, they would too choose Huawei, but that does not mean Huawei technology is more advance than the US, nor more important. That have no bearing on the issue.

Do tell me what I said is a pile of Ballocks? If so, please do supply your own evidence and tell me how I ballock you.
 
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If US NSA is allowed to eavesdrop on international networks, why can't China? We all know NSA has backdoor access to US telecom companies, why not China with Huawei?

Have people forgotten about Edward Snowden already?
 
If US NSA is allowed to eavesdrop on international networks, why can't China? We all know NSA has backdoor access to US telecom companies, why not China with Huawei?

Have people forgotten about Edward Snowden already?

The question is not whether or not China should be allow to eavesdrop in international communication. Trust me, the Chinese will do it regardless of what the German or anyone think.

The question should be, if you do not have the power to stop people from eavesdropping on you, would you want the American? The Swede? or the Chinese to do it? That is the question you should ask yourself.
 
The reason why US lost in 5G is because of 1 simple reason. Money

US does not earn money from selling 5G infrastructure equipment, they make money by selling patent to company like Cisco, Qualcomm and Huawei.

In term of SEP, Samsung lead the world by miles and that is probably the reason why they trial 5G ahead of anyone else in the field, China included.

And Germany is not in the lead of anything regarding 5G, so they have to either pair up with the Korean, the Swede, the American or the Chinese to develop their 5G Platform. Germany choose Huawei, which is logical, as i said before in my previous post, Chinese offer 3 times less cost in Australia, and if Australia is not loyal to the US, they would too choose Huawei, but that does not mean Huawei technology is more advance than the US, nor more important. That have no bearing on the issue.

Do tell me what I said is a pile of Ballocks? If so, please do supply your own evidence and tell me how I ballock you.

What the hell is ballock? Is that a honky Chinglish word?

Well, I have posted the link to the German Forum with hundreds of experts who think the US is just a pile of sh*t. they all are well versed in English. Go there and show them the opposite. LOL
 

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