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It's time for all Muslim countries to act , otherwise they may as well change their names to greater Israel.
Agreed. Gaza crisis is forging a collective Muslim identity that I have never seen before. That should be used to build more regional interconnections. Pakistan should push this at the OIC.

The war plan I mentioned would not be just the Egyptians alone. The convention offensive would be a MENA coalition of the willing. Egypt, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Jordon......etc. Pakistan should send forces as well.

I'm confident the war plan would work but what's the USA/western response to this? Cutting aid, sanctions most likely. In theory MENA has a population and resource level large enough to shrug off western sanctions like Russia has done. Problem is Russia is one state while MENA is fractured.
 
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Hezbollah and Hamas destroyed and damaged more than 120 Israeli Merkava tanks​

The Lebanese Hezbollah movement destroyed an Israeli Merkava tank, thereby increasing the number of burned or damaged units of this type of armored vehicle to more than 120, regional sources reported.
The situation in the region remains tense, and Hezbollah's attacks are not left unanswered by the Israeli army. In particular, the IDF (Israeli Central Command) reports on the defeat of a Hezbollah weapons depot in southern Lebanon. This action can be seen as part of Israel's overall strategy to contain Hezbollah's military activity and protect its territories.
If Israel really lost the ability to use 120 Merkava tanks, and such information is still in doubt, then this is the largest loss of the Israeli army in 50 years.
Подробнее на: https://avia-pro.net/news/hezbolla-...povredili-bolee-120-izrailskih-tankov-merkava


I doubt they were “ destroyed “ but heavily damaged requiring extensive repair for sure

Either way excellent job by resistance on knocking them out of battle zone
 
The war plan I mentioned would not be just the Egyptians alone. The convention offensive would be a MENA coalition of the willing. Egypt, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Jordon......etc. Pakistan should send forces as well.

Muslim Countries should also get into alliance with China and Russia against NATO.
 
Muslim Countries should also get into alliance with China and Russia against NATO.
This is already happening. By default.....confronting Israel will make you an enemy of USA and EU (to a lesser extent). Support of China, Russia and global south will be needed to shrug off the western response.
 
Pakistani Doctors volunteer for Gaza:-

2,800 Pakistani doctors offer help

Zofeen T. Ebrahim Published November 26, 2023 Updated about 20 hours ago

LISTEN TO ARTICLE1x1.2x1.5x
KARACHI: Dr Hafeezur Rehman is among the 2,800 Pakistani doctors who have responded to volunteer in Gaza on the call of Al Khidmat Foundation (AKF), a non-governmental organisation.
When the 42-year-old orthopedic surgeon from Lahore told his father about his decision, the only thing the latter said was “give my salams to the people of Palestine”.
Several Pakistani NGOs have agreed that the best way to provide humanitarian support to the Palestinians would be for all to work together and not in silos.
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“We decided that we should pool our resources, whether these be in the form of volunteers, relief goods, or medicines and equipment, all should be sent through the NDMA, as per policy and protocols of the government of Pakistan whenever needed,” said Dr Amjad Saqib, heading Akhuwat.
Dr Rehman while talking to Dawn said, “When I hear of doctors working around the clock, who don’t even have time to mourn the death of their own family members, I feel I cannot sit around and do nothing.”
The doctor has also given his name to Medicine Sans Frontiers and the International Committee of the Red Cross whichever organisation can get him to Gaza faster.
Dr Rehman earlier went to Turkiye, when a 7.8-magnitude earthquake struck the country as well as some regions of Syria.
He agreed that working in a natural disaster is different from working in a war zone.
“But I am trained to work in emergency situations; I see patients coming with broken limbs every day,” he explained.
Over 200 healthcare workers have been killed in Gaza since the start of conflict, according the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
The only thing his wife told him when he told her about his decision to serve in Gaza was to “keep safe”, said the father of a six-month-old daughter.
Tragic environment
Forty-seven-year-old anesthetist Dr Anjum Naseem and his wife 41-year-old Dr Huma Zafar, a pediatric oncologist, have also given their names to AKF as volunteers.
“It’s the least we can do,” said Dr Zafar, who has never worked in a war zone or in humanitarian crisis-like situation.
Would she be able to work in such tragic environment?
“I worked non-stop during Covid-19 and I saw people dying; and I work in extremely tragic circumstances, in palliative care and see children dying of cancer. I relive a parent’s trauma every day…I will be able to handle Gaza too,” she said resolutely.
She, however, said that AKF, preferred male doctors to their female counterpart.
“They feel we may be an extra burden and that we should remain in safe and protected zone, but they should not think of women as a liability, we are a resource they need to tap on,” said Dr Zafar. Some 50 per cent of the doctors who have signed up with AKF are women.
After the recent passing away of Dr Naseem’s father, the doctor duo, however, have made a slight change of plan with one of them staying with their three sons and the mother and alternating.
“I think I will go first,” he said.
He had earlier worked during Pakistan’s earthquake of 2005, then in the 2022 floods and regularly volunteers his services for cleft lip and palate surgery across Pakistan.
Egypt visa awaited
So far, Egypt has not given visas to Pakistan or even to enter Gaza through Rafah border, explained Dr Zahid Latif, who is Al Khidmat Health Foundation’s head.
But it is not just human resources, in the form of medics, that are needed in Gaza.
“We need the equipment, including machines, drugs, operation theatre lights, oxygen etc., too and a place to work,” said Dr Naseem.
“If there is none available in Gaza,” he said one solution would be to allow doctors to set up a hospital-like facility at the Rafah border, the 12km-long border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt, and allow the injured Palestinians to get treated there.
“This is not the time to worry about the influx of refugees but to provide the Palestinians help on humanitarian grounds at least,” he said, adding, “I am very disappointed with the inertia I see in Muslim countries.”
The frustration was felt by Dr Rehman: “I, as trauma surgeon, can truly feel the exhaustion of the trauma surgeons working under tremendous pressure,” he said. “Please get us heard by the authorities,” he said.
It has been a month since he and others had registered with the AKF but there has been no breakthrough.
“We are prepared to set up a 50-bed field hospital anywhere, even at the Rafah border,” said Dr Latif, but there seems no way to get permission.
He said the foundation was trying all channels, collaborating with international humanitarian organisations but there seems an impasse. At the same time, he said, for AKF the safety of the doctors who want to go to Gaza is also paramount. There are confirmed media reports that the director of Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza Strip has been arrested by the Israeli army.
It may be recalled that caretaker Foreign Minister Jalil Abbas Jilani while speaking in Senate on Friday disclosed that Pakistan is in contact with the Egyptian and Jordanian authorities to provide humanitarian assistance to Palestinians.
“Unfortunately, Israel is currently hindering the delivery of aid to Gaza,” he was quoted by APP as having informed the senators.
Mr Jilani said Pakistan had extended offers of medical assistance, including airlifting the injured to Pakistan and establishing a hospital in Gaza, but Israel had not granted permission for these initiatives.
The minister said, “As per reports, around 15,000 people have been killed, and 40,000 injured by Israeli forces.”
Published in Dawn, November 26th, 2023
 
Pakistani Doctors volunteer for Gaza:-

2,800 Pakistani doctors offer help

Zofeen T. Ebrahim Published November 26, 2023 Updated about 20 hours ago

LISTEN TO ARTICLE1x1.2x1.5x
KARACHI: Dr Hafeezur Rehman is among the 2,800 Pakistani doctors who have responded to volunteer in Gaza on the call of Al Khidmat Foundation (AKF), a non-governmental organisation.
When the 42-year-old orthopedic surgeon from Lahore told his father about his decision, the only thing the latter said was “give my salams to the people of Palestine”.
Several Pakistani NGOs have agreed that the best way to provide humanitarian support to the Palestinians would be for all to work together and not in silos.
-ADVERTISEMENT-













“We decided that we should pool our resources, whether these be in the form of volunteers, relief goods, or medicines and equipment, all should be sent through the NDMA, as per policy and protocols of the government of Pakistan whenever needed,” said Dr Amjad Saqib, heading Akhuwat.
Dr Rehman while talking to Dawn said, “When I hear of doctors working around the clock, who don’t even have time to mourn the death of their own family members, I feel I cannot sit around and do nothing.”
The doctor has also given his name to Medicine Sans Frontiers and the International Committee of the Red Cross whichever organisation can get him to Gaza faster.
Dr Rehman earlier went to Turkiye, when a 7.8-magnitude earthquake struck the country as well as some regions of Syria.
He agreed that working in a natural disaster is different from working in a war zone.
“But I am trained to work in emergency situations; I see patients coming with broken limbs every day,” he explained.
Over 200 healthcare workers have been killed in Gaza since the start of conflict, according the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
The only thing his wife told him when he told her about his decision to serve in Gaza was to “keep safe”, said the father of a six-month-old daughter.
Tragic environment
Forty-seven-year-old anesthetist Dr Anjum Naseem and his wife 41-year-old Dr Huma Zafar, a pediatric oncologist, have also given their names to AKF as volunteers.
“It’s the least we can do,” said Dr Zafar, who has never worked in a war zone or in humanitarian crisis-like situation.
Would she be able to work in such tragic environment?
“I worked non-stop during Covid-19 and I saw people dying; and I work in extremely tragic circumstances, in palliative care and see children dying of cancer. I relive a parent’s trauma every day…I will be able to handle Gaza too,” she said resolutely.
She, however, said that AKF, preferred male doctors to their female counterpart.
“They feel we may be an extra burden and that we should remain in safe and protected zone, but they should not think of women as a liability, we are a resource they need to tap on,” said Dr Zafar. Some 50 per cent of the doctors who have signed up with AKF are women.
After the recent passing away of Dr Naseem’s father, the doctor duo, however, have made a slight change of plan with one of them staying with their three sons and the mother and alternating.
“I think I will go first,” he said.
He had earlier worked during Pakistan’s earthquake of 2005, then in the 2022 floods and regularly volunteers his services for cleft lip and palate surgery across Pakistan.
Egypt visa awaited
So far, Egypt has not given visas to Pakistan or even to enter Gaza through Rafah border, explained Dr Zahid Latif, who is Al Khidmat Health Foundation’s head.
But it is not just human resources, in the form of medics, that are needed in Gaza.
“We need the equipment, including machines, drugs, operation theatre lights, oxygen etc., too and a place to work,” said Dr Naseem.
“If there is none available in Gaza,” he said one solution would be to allow doctors to set up a hospital-like facility at the Rafah border, the 12km-long border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt, and allow the injured Palestinians to get treated there.
“This is not the time to worry about the influx of refugees but to provide the Palestinians help on humanitarian grounds at least,” he said, adding, “I am very disappointed with the inertia I see in Muslim countries.”
The frustration was felt by Dr Rehman: “I, as trauma surgeon, can truly feel the exhaustion of the trauma surgeons working under tremendous pressure,” he said. “Please get us heard by the authorities,” he said.
It has been a month since he and others had registered with the AKF but there has been no breakthrough.
“We are prepared to set up a 50-bed field hospital anywhere, even at the Rafah border,” said Dr Latif, but there seems no way to get permission.
He said the foundation was trying all channels, collaborating with international humanitarian organisations but there seems an impasse. At the same time, he said, for AKF the safety of the doctors who want to go to Gaza is also paramount. There are confirmed media reports that the director of Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza Strip has been arrested by the Israeli army.
It may be recalled that caretaker Foreign Minister Jalil Abbas Jilani while speaking in Senate on Friday disclosed that Pakistan is in contact with the Egyptian and Jordanian authorities to provide humanitarian assistance to Palestinians.
“Unfortunately, Israel is currently hindering the delivery of aid to Gaza,” he was quoted by APP as having informed the senators.
Mr Jilani said Pakistan had extended offers of medical assistance, including airlifting the injured to Pakistan and establishing a hospital in Gaza, but Israel had not granted permission for these initiatives.
The minister said, “As per reports, around 15,000 people have been killed, and 40,000 injured by Israeli forces.”
Published in Dawn, November 26th, 2023
Going into Gaza without a protection from a peacekeeping force is not advisable.
 
Except that the us is the one paying a very real,and very high political price for all of this.
Wars are not just won on the battlefield.
I don't see them going to war with the U.S. Do you see it?
 
fighting for their lives after 400 military deaths against Hamas with RPGs locked in tiny open air prison with no food or water ?

don't know what's more embarrassing, making that claim or believing it
there's less than 10 million of them vs 2 billion musalmans, many of whom want Israel gone forever.
 
there's less than 10 million of them vs 2 billion musalmans, many of whom want Israel gone forever.
There are only two possible outcomes here.
  1. A two state solution....with an actual Palestinian state
  2. The complete destruction of Israel.
Current Israeli political order will never agree to option 1.......so option 2 is what they should expect.
 
There are only two possible outcomes here.
  1. A two state solution....with an actual Palestinian state
  2. The complete destruction of Israel.
Current Israeli political order will never agree to option 1.......so option 2 is what they should expect.
I understand well where you're coming from, a place of emotion.

but srsly, bro

mujhay to ek hi party ki "complete destruction" nazar aa ri hai, and it ain't the Yahoodi settler state.

it would make sense, what you said if the ummah was united.. I mean, forget that, arab league, UN, even "only musalman nuke power" .. where are they ? mostly mute spectators to this, aren't they ?

who will destroy them ?

you gotta get past Uncle Sam to get to them, good luck.
 
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